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    9 months ago

    Because they are obviously propaganda. If you believe “the bad guys” have lost 13x more men than “the good guys” then I dont really know what to tell you. I have one stat that will help you realize you are being lied to; Ukraines militaries median age is up 10 years to 43 years old in the past two years or so. [Cue furious googling to figure out how to dismiss this data as normal]

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      So your baseless “believies” are telling you that Russia and every other international corroborating report is strategically overreporting Russia’s losses.

      Why?

      Also, the age of the Ukrainian military is going up as the younger generation(comprising much of the military, especially the front lines) is killed and the age of recruitment has been repeatedly heightened.

      No “googling” required.

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        the age of the Ukrainian military is going up as the younger generation(comprising much of the military, especially the front lines) is killed

        But you’re claiming that Ukraine has only lost 31,000 troops, with means a fatality rate that is completely negligible on demographic scales.

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          9 months ago

          I said the casualty, not fatality, rate of the Ukrainian military is over 30,000, not only 30,000.

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              You falsely claimed that I said there have only been 30,000 Ukrainian deaths.

              This is incorrect.

              I said that there have been at least 30,000 Ukrainian casualties.

              I’m correcting your false premise.

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                9 months ago

                You know, anyone can just go back up the comment chain and see that you’re lying. What are you trying to accomplish?

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                    I’m not implying anything, I’m being quite explicit. What are you trying to accomplish by lying in a way that will be obvious to anyone who’s read this far?

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        Those numbers are underreported for Ukraine and probably overreported for Russia. The reason is obviously propaganda on all sides.

        Also, the age of the Ukrainian military is going up as the younger generation(comprising much of the military, especially the front lines) is killed and the age of recruitment has been repeatedly heightened.

        Exactly, and now think about when the military is a million people or so, how many would need to be dead or wounded for the number to rise by 10 years.

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          Okay. For a third time, why do you think Russia is overreporting their losses?

          And if Russia is “winning”, why are they retreating and losing ground? Why has Russia’s “one-week” conquering passed its two year mark? And why are they losing all of their military equipment? A deliberate ploy to throw away all of their advanced equipment and vehicles so that nobody will guess Russia is actually winning?

          You think Russia is just pretending to take literally 100 times longer than they planned to win this war while sacrificing their troops and equipment?

          How savvy of them.

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            Ukraine claims 413k, russia claims less, I dont know what you are referring to. Obviously Ukraine and Russian numbers will be bullshit, but I am not the one believing either side.

            And you just changed the discussion to something different. The border has not changed signficantly since fall of 2022, Ukraine is about to lose because they are running out of people to fight. I am just telling you reality of the situation not the propaganda.

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              Russia still claims over 300k troop losses, so they’re still losing even according to their estimates more than 10 soldiers for every one of Ukraine’s, even if we believe that Russia is overreporting their losses, something that doesn’t make any sense and is not evidenced or corroborated by any reports.

              I have not changed the conversation.

              I have consistently asked you why you believe Russia is overreporting their losses, for which you have no answer.

              You are not telling me any “reality”, and you are the ones spouting baseless propaganda, as far as I can tell.

              Russia is losing this war. It doesn’t seem like they’re going to win anything, I don’t see how you can consider this altercation anything other than a massive loss for Russia.

              Losing 10 times the troops, losing most of their military equipment, burdened by sanctions for decades, pushing all of their opponents to renewable energy and to NATO so that they’ll steadily and annually lose the advantage of their main export, to repeat a few Russian defeats.

              Taking literally 101 times longer, so far, than they thought to achieve a “victory” over a couple of regions in a country vastly smaller than them with a smaller military?

              Proving that Russia has a sickly, weak military capability with soldiers ready to surrender as soon as they are sent into Ukraine?

              What a coup.

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                You just make things up that no one is saying. Literally all the things you are saying are not what people are claiming or what they have been saying. To everyone but you and other people that have eaten the propaganda, Ukraine is about to lose, you can believe silly propaganda if you wish but its not real.

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                  Why don’t you give me an example of something you think I’m making up?

                  That’s quite a broad accusation to make without any evidence to back it up, while I have reliable and credible sources that corroborate everything I’ve written here.

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                    You keep claiming russia is saying what it isnt saying, and you are just accepting what Ukraine is saying as the truth. If you actually want to know what everyone says about causalities, I think wiki has probably gotten pretty close to what everyone is claiming.