• Alsephina@lemmy.ml
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    11 months ago

    Terrorists = Anyone fighting against western imperialism and colonialism

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      No, terrorists are people who attack civilians as a war crime. Including actions from both the IDF and Hamas. And certain actions from US troops in various wars. But this is not the first account nor instance of UNRWA and its facilities being used in support of or directly for when Hamas does military action, which only endangers Palestinian civilians. If hospitals and schools etc. are indiscriminately used as war facilities, they become valid targets under international law, and thereby makes the civilians there much more at risk.

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        11 months ago

        terrorists are people who attack civilians

        Were the Viet Cong terrorists too? They attacked villages, took hostages, and used tunnels and guerilla warfare just the same. These are simply the most effective tactics for driving out an occupying force, and they wouldn’t be necessary if the colony wasn’t there in the first place. Also, the vast majority of “israel” aren’t civilians; they’re IDF conscripts, settlers and colonizers.

        Hamas does military action, which only endangers Palestinian civilians

        Was the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising in Nazi Germany terrorism? Whatever the intention, the result was their own 13,000 civilians being killed, and very few German casualties.

        Decolonization is violent. If you don’t like it, don’t colonize in the first place.

        And certain actions from US

        Not “certain actions”; the entirety of the US is a rogue terrorist state founded on the genocide of millions of indigenous people, slavery, and endless wars.

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        11 months ago

        Including actions from both the IDF and Hamas. And certain actions from US troops in various wars.

        Fucking hell, the obvious double standard couldn’t be more apparent.

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          They’re literally both terrorists, I don’t know what to tell you. But even when killing civilians, there are rules that sometimes allow it according to proportionality rules (which I think Israel has violated). And of course the Israeli government actively wants to and are by the definitions of many committing genocide, which is way worse.

          Unless you think that Hamas killing people at a music festival is somehow a valid military target, they’re terrorists. Just like how the IDF are terrorists for attacking Palestinian journalists and innocent family members.

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            They’re literally both terrorists, I don’t know what to tell you.

            How come when they kill civilians, they’re terrorists, but when the USA does it, it’s “certain actions” from individual troops? A naked double standard.

            But even when killing civilians, there are rules that sometimes allow it

            Oh really? And which rules would these be? And when exactly do they apply?

            Unless you think that Hamas killing people at a music festival is somehow a valid military target, they’re terrorists.

            Your definition of terrorist is so broad that it would be meaningless if you applied it consistently; the allied powers in WW2 would all be terrorists, as would resistance groups and the people who participated in the Warsaw uprising. The American revolutionaries were terrorists, and the USA has been a terrorist organisation ever since, as have most countries.

            But of course, you don’t apply it consistently, you have a double standard.

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              “Terrorist” is a meaningless term in the first place really. It’s used by the imperial core to describe anyone from their own right-wing tools like the ISIS to anyone fighting against imperialism like Hamas or Ansarullah.