I hope for him nobody says “We recognize Britain and that Ireland is part of Britain” 🤣
Technically, one third is.
Not technically.
The country’s formal title is: The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.
Northern Ireland is not part of Britain
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Britain is just England and Wales
Also, I don’t see how he got that 16% is “technically” a third
And Scotland
Nope
Britain is historically just England and Wales, though colloquially now used as a shorter way of saying “Great Britain”, which is England, Wales, and Scotland.
The British isles is England, Wales, Scotland, Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland (and all the smaller islands like the Hebrides, Orkneys, etc)
I’ve literally never heard that or read anything suggesting that. Britain/Britons has been used to describe the islands and peoples of the north Atlantic archipelago since ancient times with great Britain simply referring to the largest island (i.e. England+Scotland+Wales), as per wiki
Written record
The first known written use of the word was an ancient Greek transliteration of the original P-Celtic term. It is believed to have appeared within a periplus written in about 325 BC by the geographer and explorer Pytheas of Massalia, but no copies of this work survive. The earliest existing records of the word are quotations of the periplus by later authors, such as those within Diodorus of Sicily’s history (c. 60 BC to 30 BC), Strabo’s Geographica (c. 7 BC to AD 19) and Pliny’s Natural History (AD 77).[10] According to Strabo, Pytheas referred to Britain as Bretannikē, which is treated a feminine noun.[11][12][13][14] Although technically an adjective (the Britannic or British) it may have been a case of noun ellipsis, a common mechanism in ancient Greek. This term along with other relevant ones, subsequently appeared inter alia in the following works:
Pliny referred to the main island as Britannia, with Britanniae describing the island group.[15][16] Catullus also used the plural Britanniae in his Carmina.[17][18] Avienius used insula Albionum in his Ora Maritima.[19] Orosius used the plural Britanniae to refer to the islands and Britanni to refer to the people thereof.[20] Diodorus referred to Great Britain as Prettanikē nēsos and its inhabitants as Prettanoi.[21][22] Ptolemy, in his Almagest, used Brettania and Brettanikai nēsoi to refer to the island group and the terms megale Brettania (Great Britain) and mikra Brettania (little Britain) for the islands of Great Britain and Ireland, respectively.[23] However, in his Geography, he referred to both Alwion (Great Britain) and Iwernia (Ireland) as a nēsos Bretanikē, or British island.[24]Jesus Christ what an exhausting people
Fuck off British isles is a term used by the occupiers to legitimize their occupation. The Republic is not a part of the British isles
Makes sense, as a geographical location I imagine it has had many names over history based on who controls the narrative. Can I ask what other names there are for the area that isn’t supportive of British colonialism?
The British Isles is a term used because Albion fell out of favor.
How is 6/32 a third?
Nope
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Pathetic. You’d think a country colonized by a foreign nation would be more sympathetic to their struggle for independence.
The ROC are not the indigenous people of Taiwan though. In fact, in this comparison, the Taiwanese government would be equivalent to the British.
What? Neither side represents the indigenous population of Taiwan.
Taiwan is not colonized by the PRC.
Taiwan has never been colonized by a foreign nation, except by the ROC after the Chinese Civil War.
It was also colonised by Netherlands and Spain for few decades in XVII century and by Japan in 1895-1945.
He is not technically wrong, as the Taiwanese themselves haven’t declared independence from China.
So they are not independent then. not even their staunchest ally (USA) recognizes their Independence, so I don’t see where is the controversy with Irish PM’s statement.
Was there a controversy?
Why is it even being posted here? Top comment seems to think it’s controversial. Lemmy users are like redditors in political awareness.
Well, yes. Redditors and Lemmy users are the same people.
I posted it in /c/ireland 24 hours earlier and no controversy
I didn’t hear complaints in the domestic press.
Exactly? It’s completely uninteresting.
Yes, but that stems more from the fact that the Republic of China (aka Taiwan) and the People’s Republic of China both lay claims to be the real China.
You can’t really declare independence from yourself.
Also the PRC would probably attack immediately if the ROC gave up their claim on being china.
All I heard is USA claiming to bomb TSMC if Taiwan ever wanted to go back and unify with mainland China. You may go check it, it is a real threat.
Not sure if I would call it a threat.
Congressman Seth Moulton prposed to do this in May '23. Taiwan obviously wasn’t happy about that proposal.
Then there’s also a statement by former National Security Advisor Robert O’Brien from March '23 where he said that “I can’t imagine they’d be intact” after an invasion of China.
The 2nd one is a bit nebulous but doesn’t talk about reunification but about annexation.
I remember Cuban missile crisis being a threat without any spoken words. Yeah, this would be a straight up declaration for war.
Because the PRC has set this as a red line. The Taiwanese would do it in a heartbeat.
No, it’s because they claim sovereignty over the whole of China + parts who already are independent from the People’s Republic of China. They are not independent, just the old regime in exile. To them Taiwan is just a province of China just as it is for the PRC
Interestingly China would also be quite upset if Taiwan stopped claiming sovereignty over the mainland. To them that would signal an end to the one China policy. So Taiwan maintaining its claim to the mainland is actually to keep China happy. I don’t think the Taiwan government is under any illusion that they will someday take over the mainland.
It sounds extremely convoluted that a government considering itself “rightful” (ROC/Taiwan) who fought and lost a war with revolutionaries (PRC/“China”) would continue the claim that led to a war to not piss off the revolutionaries?
Is this some homebrew theory or do you have a source?
Not some home brew theory. And it is very convoluted, but it’s bascially more “one China” policy word games.
The Taiwanese president unofficially stated in 1991 they do not claim mainland China, but this was never affirmed by courts and there’s no force of law behind it. They cannot officially do this currently without greatly antagonizing China. China’s view is that Taiwan limiting its borders to include only Taiwan and not all of China, would signal the end of the “one China” policy and be a precursor to Taiwanese independence. If Tawain were to declare different national borders that include only the island itself, then China would view it as a violation of their anti secession law passed in 2005, which threatens military force in retaliation. In China’s view, they are another government still within China and still in civil war, without the authority to re-define national borders.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Secession_Law
Continuing to claim mainland China as part of the same country is continuing the current status quo, any deviations from that would be viewed as an attempted separation of “indivisable” China. So the claim to the mainland at this point in history is primarily to not antagonize China and continue the status quo situation.
Well it’s a good thing we have you, a Westerner, to tell us what the Taiwanese would do.
This is disgusting, quite frankly. Taiwan has every right to be an independent state and it is one. Fuck right off.
Taiwan never claimed independence and is a defacto state, NOT a dejure sovereign state, and over 170 countries recognise it as part of One China. There is only one China. Keep crying. Your pronouns do not give you immunity from being called out on bullshit.
Even the ROC doesn’t consider Taiwan to be an independent state, but go off. Or better yet, fuck right off back to reddit.
No :)
Let’s see. How can I break this down.
I think it’s quite fair to assume that when people use the term China in isolation, they are referring to the authoritarian dictatorship state controlled by the CCP, The Peoples Republic of China.
ROC a governmental body, still holds onto the idea that it is the sole rightful “owner” of all the territories of pre-1949 China. Good for them, a little far from reality but I can’t blame them for having dreams.
A significant portion of the people of Taiwan do not under any circumstances want to be part of anything under rule of the CCP, which in reality means that they do not want to be part of the Peoples Republic of China. The ROC, on the other hand, still wants to hold into the idea of their claim over the whole region, so it’s interests are in conflict with the people’s in that regard.
Thus! Taiwan is an independent state from the PRC because the chances of the PRC being governed by anyone but the CCP is slim to none.
I note you went straight to swearing at me, quoting my own “fuck right off” which was directed at a government and not any individual. I’m sure you understand why this doesn’t make me any more likely to support your stance, but do try to be kinder.
authoritarian dictatorship
stopped reading here; what’s the point of having a more in depth discussion with someone who’s political analysis is on the level of Saturday morning cartoons. I reiterate that you should fuck off back to reddit, you’ll be happier there.
Ad hominem attacks will get you no prizes.
I reiterate that you should try your hand at being kinder.
Goodbye!
You may not realize this, but, for people who aren’t western anglos, casual orientalism and western chauvinism is just as disrespectful and unkind as ‘ad hominems’.
Did you even think before writing that? What am I saying, of course you didn’t.
the ROC doesn’t consider th Taiwan to be an independent state
Because they lose any possible claim to their continuity as the rightful government of China by doing so. Also, the CCP would be quite pissy about that.
So you admit I’m correct, but insult me anyway. Why bother?
He must’ve mispoken - China is a part of Taiwan, as everyone knows.
So what’s next, allowing China to also claim the Philippines?
Err… the Philippines, the former US colony? Where currently new US military bases are being built? Which China has never ruled, attempted to rule, or said they want to rule?
You’re worried that China is going to claim the Philippines???
They wouldn’t claim the Philippines without a war.
But the Chinese government is trying to claim territorial waters, and their aggression toward all their neighbors is exactly why the Philippines have decided to work with the US and open new bases.
They may not claim it, but they are definitely the aggressor in the territory, and most of their neighbors do not view the Chinese government as ‘the good guys’; that’s not to say they view the US as ‘the good guys’ either, simply as the one that isn’t actively aggressive and could assist in their defense.
Which China has never ruled
True, the CCP claiming The Philippines would be seen as ridiculous by the rest of the world.
Then again, the CCP has never ruled Taiwan either…
Were you hoping nobody would notice your bad faith rhetorical trick of trying to equivocate “China” with “the CCP” (by which I assume you meant the CPC)
Then again, the CCP has never ruled Taiwan either…
Oh yeah that’s like exactly the same situation.
- Send US military to “protect” one side in the Chinese civil war and occupy parts of China.
- Say you’re in favor of eventual peaceful reunification, but actually prevent it for decades.
- Break promise and claim the territory was never really part of China to begin with.
- Pretend you’re the victim and China is “expansionist”.
- World War 3?
Or, you know, you could actually respect the right to self determination of the Taiwanese people, rather than "America bad"ing your way to imperialism
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That’s a great story you have there, you should pitch it to netflicks.
Good idea. Maybe that’ll stop the at least some of uninformed comments here.
Don’t put yourself down like that. It really was a good piece of fiction.
Which part?
Post citations. The only fiction I see is what you’re trying to imply.
Back up your words.
Damn, your ass must be smoking from all the gaslighting just not working today.
I wonder who’s downvoting this
Anyone with even a smidge of knowledge about the actual situation of the Taiwan issue.
Contrary to what’s usually depicted, neither Taiwan nor China consider Taiwan as an independent country. Taiwan, or more accurately the Republic of China (ROC), claims sovereignty over this territory.
Both the ROC and the People’s Republic of China (PRC) consider Taiwan to be a province of China, it just happens that the ROC only has control over Taiwan while the PRC has control over China
Thanks, that was a clear explanation.
Taiwan seperatists keep losing!
There will be one China and Taiwan will be a respected part of that China.
So, you think original china will take over the communist mainland again?
The “original China” of Chiang Kai Shek is a subservient lapdog to the imperial core. It is a nation born out of cowardice and corruption.
The PRC is the rightful government of China. Over 180 countries in the world recognize that fact. This isn’t some fight against “communism” but a righting of history.
Oh my God the tag worked to good so quickly, I’ll update it to ultra right wing wanker instead of Russia Wanker
Literally just had the same experience haha. Grateful to whoever mentioned tagging in the other thread
Me I think
What client are you using to tag people?
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