In a blog post, Musk said the acquisition was warranted because global electricity demand for AI cannot be met with “terrestrial solutions,” and Silicon Valley will soon need to build data centers in space to power its AI ambitions.
This dumb fuck. Unfortunately, his boosters will be all-in on this messaging. Whatever.
What if we put the pedophilia…in space??
It’s all a scam that would be investigated in normal times. Tesla’s cars and robots will need AI to function (albeit xAI seems to be failing spectacularly), and xAI is hemorrhaging cash, but he loses leverage over Tesla’s board if the AI division went to the Tesla. SpaceX investors should be pissed they’re going to be carrying it now, and Tesla investors should be pissed as well.
Bullshit. He’s playing move the debt around.
Absolutely. And if the AI market takes a hit it will barely affect a government contracted space program that will get a taxpayer funded bailout if it has any trouble at all.
“Valuable”
How long until he rebrands Tesla to X Automobiles?
Naming everything to “X” is a cartoon villain move, except we don’t have a superhero to fight him.
If xAI disappeared tomorrow, literally nothing of value would have been lost. I’m not sure who would even notice immediately as I still have never met a single human being in real life who personally uses X.
@Grok the primary fuel flow regulator is showing a red light, what’s wrong with it?
Lol “Valuable” ooookay then
One day soon he’ll run out of companies to eat each other and the creditor bill will come due.
I wonder which American taxpayers will foot the bill?
All of them!
Because the rich can’t technically be taxpayers if they don’t pay in the first place.
I wonder which American taxpayers will foot the bill?
Valuable to whom?
Fucking, Wired.
Suck daddy harder, Wired.Can we also take a moment to acknowledge how utterly unhinged this part is?
“This marks not just the next chapter, but the next book in SpaceX and xAI’s mission: scaling to make a sentient sun to understand the Universe and extend the light of consciousness to the stars!”
A couple short stories on the matter:
Is there a god? (Less than a page, but says it all)
Dwan Ev ceremoniously soldered the final connection with gold. The eyes of a dozen television cameras watched him and the subether bore throughout the universe a dozen pictures of what he was doing. He straightened and nodded to Dwar Reyn, then moved to a position beside the switch that would complete the contact when he threw it. The switch that would connect, all at once, all of the monster computing machines of all the populated planets in the universe – ninety-six billion planets – into the supercircuit that would connect them all into one supercalculator, one cybernetics machine that would combine all the knowledge of all the galaxies. Dwar Reyn spoke briefly to the watching and listening trillions. Then after a moment’s silence he said, “Now, Dwar Ev.” Dwar Ev threw the switch. There was a mighty hum, the surge of power from ninety-six billion planets. Lights flashed and quieted along the miles-long panel. Dwar Ev stepped back and drew a deep breath. “The honor of asking the first question is yours, Dwar Reyn.” “Thank you,” said Dwar Reyn. “It shall be a question which no single cybernetics machine has been able to answer.” He turned to face the machine. “Is there a God?” The mighty voice answered without hesitation, without the clicking of a single relay. “Yes, now there is a God.” Sudden fear flashed on the face of Dwar Ev. He leaped to grab the switch. A bolt of lightning from the cloudless sky struck him down and fused the switch shut.
(Fredric Brown, “Answer”)
Or
The Last Question - Isaac Asimov
yeah wtf… a sentient sun? First of all, how do we know the sun isn’t sentient? And if it was/is why assume it would give a shit about humanity?
But also wtf… Like, he’s trying to merge the sun with AI? Am I taking it too literally? He’s trying to create god? So he can ask for forgiveness for being a pedo pos?
“Sentience” is like this hand-waving magic word. Defined typically as the ability to experience sensations and feelings, it’s very anthropic and egocentric.
We know that life evolved on Earth, to include our own species. We know that much life on Earth has an internal sense for pain and pleasure, as well as many instinctual drives like self-preservation. We know that our species knows things, and we know that other species don’t have the same depth in their capacity to know things. We’ve demonstrated that other species don’t seem to understand the world in the same way as us humans. Yet, we’ve never quite figured out what any other species knows. We’ve never modeled their form of sentience, let alone our own. We only really know about sentience intuitively, via our own experience. We judge everything’s capacity as though it’s either less than, equal to, or greater than our own — without consideration for how something might just be different. Not higher or lower, but parallel in a way.
I don’t know what sun sentience would be like, not any more than I already know why any sentience is like (beside my own), but I can say one thing for sure. Our own sentience is heavily influenced by bias: social, political, legal, economical, financial, emotional, religious, moral, and scientific bias. Peel back those layers of bias, what’s left? Sun sentience might be something like that, like a blank slate that just exists.
The sun is not only sentient, but sapient and aware of it’s eternal damnation; be thankful you can’t hear it screaming.
if there was a infinite line, like so:
<——sentient——sapient——>… where it marks each stage of “awareness,” where would you personally think humans go on that line?
If you think it belongs over the “sapient” point, I’d think that’s very interesting. Isn’t it also interesting that we bond most well with animals that exhibit human-like social behavior?
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Big tangent, but I just want to say I love this reply, and it’s a great example of what reddit has lost and lemmy has preserved.
Speaking of other species and knowledge, whale songs IMO are something like the dialup sound we used to hear when our internet went over the land line. Apparently they can hear each other from an ocean away as well. Whales may have entire religions for all we know. It’s fascinating to think about, and they’re right here on this planet with us; the Sun only knows what else is out there.
It’s a bunch of technobabble loosely related to his harebrained scheme to launch a fuckload of solar powered AI servers into LEO.
Okay, so I am taking it too literally because he’s not even trying to be accurate with the description. What a weirdo.
He probably used AI to generate a mission statement for the merged company.
Any sort of universal god would not care about the daily life of bacteria on a piece of dust in an unimaginably larger system.
Exactly.
Though, if life is truly rare, they may value us for that reason, but there’s no reason to believe they’d improve anything for us.
Yeah it’s a coin toss whether they would want to check us out further, or use the galactic form of chlorine on the area.
But odds are they would neither specifically know nor care. In likelihood I imagine there is other life, and not all based on carbon and water. There could be life on gas giants, even on suns, based on completely different chemical interactions.
I also think about this a lot. For all we know the storm on Jupiter could be thinking.
Even humble life on it’s moons, living with ammonia in it’s blood or something, as they found on titan. Lakes of methane, with methane rain replete with lightning. Volcanic eruptions of water mixed with ammonia that kept it from freezing and had it in a semi solid molten state at -200 degrees f or whatever it is. From the probe landed there, forget when that was, on titan. But life could exist even there, even if not higher life, they do have liquid bodies. That is the factor for life, the right liquid to gas temperature changes with the right chemical reactions, and the spar of zeus.
I disagree completely, and I am not a believer in any god. You care about things as a human, but (should a god exist) don’t you think it a step too far to assume a gods experience would be anything at all like our own? Whether it cares or doesn’t may be the wrong question entirely — too anthropic of a question. Even if it did have the human sense of care in its faculty of psychology, something that may entirely be a social construct, then wouldn’t it equally so be arrogant to assume what a creator does/not care about? A creator might care a lot about you, and sees suffering as some kind of tough love… who the hell can say? The universe could be infinite, and that could simply be a preference in design. Who the hell can say?
God isn’t our enemy, whether or not it exists. Our enemy is the people who claim to speak for god.
What I’m trying to say is I believe in the utterly indifferent god. It likely neither knows nor cares about us. We would go to church about it, but what’s the point?
We do not have all the answers, and we should accept that, from our position on this speck of dust in the unimaginably larger system we live amongst, we should just embrace that we don’t know everything, despite the experts telling us affirmatively the age and size of the universe as if they could know, or the religious leaders espousing ideas the age of reason has proven to be wrong.
Part of wisdom is accepting what you don’t, and what you can’t know.
I don’t really disagree with much of what your responded with however. Creator is a nebulous term. Creating biological machines that evolve to meet their conditions become rather removed from those creators if separated by unimaginable large distances between solar systems. There is no way any being seeding life would survive to watching it evolve over billions of years, even if some form of transport could break the speed of light, which I believe to be impossible.
Yeah, I’m agreeing with you more now.
I’ve thought a lot about god and decided that, even if it does exist, my best way to honor it would be to live my life honestly and freely as though it does not exist.
I’ve considered the argument about the size of the universe, with us being specks of dust in all of that…that perspective does make us seem insignificant, until (IMO) you consider that we humans (as far as we know) are the only species in the whole universe that even tries to worship a god. We’re matter that asks about morals, and it’s possible you might only find that here on Earth. Given, we’re the center of the epistemological universe — not the ontological one.
I’m not saying that’s necessarily true. I am saying, however, that there are angles which make us more significant even in this big universe.
Personally, I like to think of God as being the first thing that could move. It very well may be explained as a quirk of quantum mechanics that results in the state of nothing being inherently unstable — allowing for something to arise. We are beings of that something which this mechanic produced, and that’s godly enough (relative to me) for me.
Again, I’m not saying that’s what god is necessarily. That’s just how I think about it.
Dude, that’s talos principle. You aren’t clever.
They didn’t say that did they? Jesus, yeah, that’s what they are doing, not playing the biggest confidence scam in the world.
where is the regulation
Same place as the bill of rights.
Space solar panels and datacenters is pure fraud. Merger is purely to ruin one established company with revenue, mostly government funded, with an anchor to sink it, but help mecha hitler control skynet.
I used to think space data centers was a scam, but I learned how much power existing satellites already use (and thus must be able to radiate into space to keep cold), and just looking at the ISS, each radiator (and it has several) can reject 14 kW into space, so if the ISS has can safely generate 14 kW of electricity and reject all the waste heat, then the major concern for me is addressed. Space datacenters are the first step to industry, in space, which is an necessary step for a lot of future stuff.
All the above is beyond the point though, he’s playing shell games to tie his most valuable and critical company, SpaceX, to the trashheap of AI bullshit so that the government will bail him out when it crashes.
The ISS is only in low orbit.
But data centers use tens to hundreds of megawatts. So we’re talking about thousands or tens of thousands of times the heat.
That was my stumbling block, too. Don’t think of it as taking a datacenter and putting it into space whole, think of it as taking 5 or 10 racks and putting that into space, and repeating till you have as much compute as a datacenter. So it’s basically the size of a schoolbus (same size as hubble telescope) and it has solar panels+ heat rejection like those of the ISS, and then bolt a starlink on the end, and you can put as many of those in orbit as you need.
Each part of the hardware is doable(ish), and if the nerds who actually run datacenters say the terrestrial energy/cooling cost numbers vs launch cost numbers make sense, I’m inclined to believe them even if I don’t get to see that math specifically. But right now it’s just AI bros saying the costs make sense, and I don’t as much believe them.
Yay! Unlimited space junk!
You’re right, but I don’t mind if he sends his stuff to outer space
Makes sense. Wants the bailouts when it all crashes, doesn’t want terrestrial data center regulations so he can get away with whatever.
Definitely getting bail outs when it fails. Fucking plutocracy sucks, privatized profits, socialized losses.
