All I’ve heard for 40 years of life is 2a this and 2a that. Turns out it was just an excuse for school shootings and gun nuts to keep their toys. Your answer is staring you in the face, whether you want to acknowledge or not is another thing.
Do you really believe the traditional channels will be of any use? Or have those already - long, long - been compromised?
Even if the channels had just been neutered yesterday, do yoy really think Trump would give back an inch? He’ll TACO all day on tariffs, but on human rights violations he is consistent - take and never return.
You’re platitudes are lovely, and in fairness, not even entirely incorrect. But what you, and eveidently millions and millions of Americans don’t seem to understand, is the milk has already been spilled. The how and the why are for scholars a hundred years from now to sort out. For today, tomorrow and the day after, y’all need to find a way to stop the continous slide. It’s not getting easier next week or the week after.
Label me WHATEVER you like that gets people’s ASSES IN GEAR. As angry as I am, amazingly enough I am still on your side. I should be flushing every bloody word an American speaks to me straight down the toilet after your Dear Leader and half the country shit on an ally in ways never seen before. Yet here I am, trying to propel you people to acknowlegde the real situation for what it is. Why is that? Truthfully, I’m selfish. I’d love to not have to take up arms to defend my border, but let’s be honest, that’s inevitable if Americans don’t clean up their own shit.
So before you come and tell me how smug and supercilious I’m being, take a moment to realize this - becuase of your people’s patently obvius shitty decisions, I have to enlist and potentially PUT MY LIFE ON THE LINE to defend my country against an ‘ally’. Pardon me for not giving a fuck about your spineless response and pages of assinine commentary.
You fail to understand that this wasn’t an attack on you, but commentary about the state of things and how they look from the inside rather than the outside.
And as someone who did enlist, I’m gonna just point out something. Your country should never have allowed allyship with the USA to divest you of a fighting force worthy of protecting your own assets, borders, or sovereignty.
I absolutely don’t agree that the US should be fucking about in any other country. But the entire world never even batted an eye when we were setting up puppet regimes and destabilizing whole countries where brown people live. So you’ll figure me if our problematic behavior has finally landed on your doorstep. I don’t agree with the shit we’ve done in South America, The Middle East, or half a dozen African countries.
But I also grew up in poverty and found my way out of that through enlistment, so I was part of the problem whether I wanted to be or not.
I am trying to have empathy for you and people like you while pointing out that our government is literally kidnapping people off the street and essentially using FLOK cameras as legal wiretaps. The people who are doing something need help to boost the signal and people are ignoring them.
There is something your citizenry could do, but unfortunately they lack the unity to do it nor can most of them put up with the hardship it would entail. The size of the nation in terms of distance isn’t a problem, smaller populations with just as much distance have successfully protested in unity. It’s unity itself and the inability to put up with hardship.
That is to stop work, stop buying anything you can, grind the means of production to a halt. Yeah, people would lose jobs they don’t want, healthcare which is inadequate anyway and housing that will still be available once the goal is achieved, which is to force the houses to act on impeachment and whatever amendments and institutional rules exist to remove this administration.
Violence or inciting violence is not the answer and I think I’d be preaching to the converted on this one, you said you were an ex serviceman. Sure, all your citizens should have on hand whatever means they can to defend themselves (as is their constitutional right) but you know as well as I do where that will end up.
The easiest method to stop this is voting; in every election where the position requires election from the people, you’re there. You tell your employer you will be before you take a new job, it’s that important. That’s why the Republicans are where they are, because their people vote. It might be the only redeeming quality they have.
That one’s done now though. The next easiest is what I suggested above and it has to be done, or you’re done because I can’t see a fair midterm happening. They have to be removed. It’ll work if enough stop.
There’s a lot of armed people here willing to fight, but without some kind of organized call-to-arms (whether it be militias or state national guard), all that’s gonna happen is you’re going to be arrested and given a 20+ year prison sentence for assault on a federal officer with a deadly weapon. It’s easy to say you’d fight back, but a lot of us have families to provide for and can’t just throw away our lives like that.
Right now, we’re lacking leadership, and most democrats in power don’t have the balls to openly call for resistance. I don’t know what the future holds, but I feel we’re nearing a breaking point where we might start seeing armed resistance.
You are clearly not wrong. However, the question I would return with: if not violence, what mechanism for change will actually move a lever?
I’m certainly at my most pessimistic moment, but sincerely I don’t see how this changes for your countrymen at this point without violence…? What realistic compromise could we even draw up? The two sides are diametrically opposed. There isn’t common ground because there isn’t even a common reality. The legal system seems righed and there is no leadership. You have touched on some of these points yourself.
I’ll take a try at what a compromise might look like:
– Trump agrees to go door to door with Minnesota Police. This gurantees:
The process is done slowly and unchaotically. This is what MN wants.
Every single address is searched and the potential for immigrant removal is near 100%. This is what Trump wants.
This solution would save lives, but also give up significant civil liberties. It’s the best I can think up. Hopefully you are more creative than I am.
My last comment: I too have a family. And many extended family. And friends across Canada. It is on behalf of these people that I’m so passionate. And I can also appreciate your concerns also because of these same people. These are two sides of the same coin.
I understand your frustration, but take a moment to remember you are where you are because you didn’t vote in numbers.
People overseas are threatened by this without having a choice in that. So yeah, they may have to defend themselves against your military because you are too lazy to vote as a collective.
Yes, everyone is a bot. You’re right. And this is an alt account. Nice work Sherlock. I guess that makes everything I said incorrect? Because my account is 15 days old? Nice strawman.
I’ll entertain this so it’s in writing:
I had never heard of Lemmy until a few months ago. Why is that? Because I am actively divesting from US assets and companies. Why is that? Clearly Trump and the last 12 months.
I enjoyed Reddit. Quite a bit. I was reluctant to leave because of all subreddits I’d curated and they have great niche places. Their sports communities are second to none, for example.
I fully admit the first time I tried to setup Lemmy it was a fail. I went back to Reddit for another few months as a result.
Trump continues and continues to insult his allies and the 101 other things he’s done to make humanity worse off than the day before. So again I made a push to divest.
SO I TRIED LEMMY AGAIN. Imagine the horror, I had to make an account at some point. Apologies I wasn’t a super duper early adopter like you were. Frankly, if Trump isn’t President I never show up here at all.
Do yoy wanna run that through ChatGPT to make sure it’s authentic?
So back to the ACTUAL DISCUSSION POINT: This isn’t about my spine you idiot. I didn’t vote for him and I’m not an American citizen. YOU HAD THE CHANCE. He was voted out and then allowed to return. I had zero ability to influence any of that.
And because of your countries moral bankruptcy, now we are preparing to defend ourselves against an ‘ally’. Many nations are doing so.
Just going to ignore all that?
And finally, I AM PROUD TO SERVE MY COUNTRY. AND I WILL ANSWER THE CALL WHEN THE TIME COMES. Even though I nor my nation had anything to do with the shit storm that is landing on our front step. Also while Americans themselves, who got us to this point, are being trampled on and not standing up for what is right. So yeah, if you guys did anything whatsoever, we wouldn’t be here. He was voted out ffs.
Back over to your strawman. But before you start again, let’s not forget letting that little J6 thing completely slide by without any consequence… what a joke.
EDIT: Calls me a bot and an alt, strawmans and then DELETES the comment outright. Guess that rebuttal was 10/10. Nice work @ChunkMcHorkle@lemmy.world
All I’ve heard for 40 years of life is 2a this and 2a that. Turns out it was just an excuse for school shootings and gun nuts to keep their toys. Your answer is staring you in the face, whether you want to acknowledge or not is another thing.
Do you really believe the traditional channels will be of any use? Or have those already - long, long - been compromised?
Even if the channels had just been neutered yesterday, do yoy really think Trump would give back an inch? He’ll TACO all day on tariffs, but on human rights violations he is consistent - take and never return.
You’re platitudes are lovely, and in fairness, not even entirely incorrect. But what you, and eveidently millions and millions of Americans don’t seem to understand, is the milk has already been spilled. The how and the why are for scholars a hundred years from now to sort out. For today, tomorrow and the day after, y’all need to find a way to stop the continous slide. It’s not getting easier next week or the week after.
Label me WHATEVER you like that gets people’s ASSES IN GEAR. As angry as I am, amazingly enough I am still on your side. I should be flushing every bloody word an American speaks to me straight down the toilet after your Dear Leader and half the country shit on an ally in ways never seen before. Yet here I am, trying to propel you people to acknowlegde the real situation for what it is. Why is that? Truthfully, I’m selfish. I’d love to not have to take up arms to defend my border, but let’s be honest, that’s inevitable if Americans don’t clean up their own shit.
So before you come and tell me how smug and supercilious I’m being, take a moment to realize this - becuase of your people’s patently obvius shitty decisions, I have to enlist and potentially PUT MY LIFE ON THE LINE to defend my country against an ‘ally’. Pardon me for not giving a fuck about your spineless response and pages of assinine commentary.
GO DO SOMETHING.
You fail to understand that this wasn’t an attack on you, but commentary about the state of things and how they look from the inside rather than the outside.
And as someone who did enlist, I’m gonna just point out something. Your country should never have allowed allyship with the USA to divest you of a fighting force worthy of protecting your own assets, borders, or sovereignty.
I absolutely don’t agree that the US should be fucking about in any other country. But the entire world never even batted an eye when we were setting up puppet regimes and destabilizing whole countries where brown people live. So you’ll figure me if our problematic behavior has finally landed on your doorstep. I don’t agree with the shit we’ve done in South America, The Middle East, or half a dozen African countries.
But I also grew up in poverty and found my way out of that through enlistment, so I was part of the problem whether I wanted to be or not.
I am trying to have empathy for you and people like you while pointing out that our government is literally kidnapping people off the street and essentially using FLOK cameras as legal wiretaps. The people who are doing something need help to boost the signal and people are ignoring them.
There is something your citizenry could do, but unfortunately they lack the unity to do it nor can most of them put up with the hardship it would entail. The size of the nation in terms of distance isn’t a problem, smaller populations with just as much distance have successfully protested in unity. It’s unity itself and the inability to put up with hardship.
That is to stop work, stop buying anything you can, grind the means of production to a halt. Yeah, people would lose jobs they don’t want, healthcare which is inadequate anyway and housing that will still be available once the goal is achieved, which is to force the houses to act on impeachment and whatever amendments and institutional rules exist to remove this administration.
Violence or inciting violence is not the answer and I think I’d be preaching to the converted on this one, you said you were an ex serviceman. Sure, all your citizens should have on hand whatever means they can to defend themselves (as is their constitutional right) but you know as well as I do where that will end up.
The easiest method to stop this is voting; in every election where the position requires election from the people, you’re there. You tell your employer you will be before you take a new job, it’s that important. That’s why the Republicans are where they are, because their people vote. It might be the only redeeming quality they have.
That one’s done now though. The next easiest is what I suggested above and it has to be done, or you’re done because I can’t see a fair midterm happening. They have to be removed. It’ll work if enough stop.
There’s a lot of armed people here willing to fight, but without some kind of organized call-to-arms (whether it be militias or state national guard), all that’s gonna happen is you’re going to be arrested and given a 20+ year prison sentence for assault on a federal officer with a deadly weapon. It’s easy to say you’d fight back, but a lot of us have families to provide for and can’t just throw away our lives like that.
Right now, we’re lacking leadership, and most democrats in power don’t have the balls to openly call for resistance. I don’t know what the future holds, but I feel we’re nearing a breaking point where we might start seeing armed resistance.
You are clearly not wrong. However, the question I would return with: if not violence, what mechanism for change will actually move a lever?
I’m certainly at my most pessimistic moment, but sincerely I don’t see how this changes for your countrymen at this point without violence…? What realistic compromise could we even draw up? The two sides are diametrically opposed. There isn’t common ground because there isn’t even a common reality. The legal system seems righed and there is no leadership. You have touched on some of these points yourself.
I’ll take a try at what a compromise might look like:
– Trump agrees to go door to door with Minnesota Police. This gurantees:
This solution would save lives, but also give up significant civil liberties. It’s the best I can think up. Hopefully you are more creative than I am.
My last comment: I too have a family. And many extended family. And friends across Canada. It is on behalf of these people that I’m so passionate. And I can also appreciate your concerns also because of these same people. These are two sides of the same coin.
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I understand your frustration, but take a moment to remember you are where you are because you didn’t vote in numbers.
People overseas are threatened by this without having a choice in that. So yeah, they may have to defend themselves against your military because you are too lazy to vote as a collective.
Yes, everyone is a bot. You’re right. And this is an alt account. Nice work Sherlock. I guess that makes everything I said incorrect? Because my account is 15 days old? Nice strawman.
I’ll entertain this so it’s in writing:
Do yoy wanna run that through ChatGPT to make sure it’s authentic?
So back to the ACTUAL DISCUSSION POINT: This isn’t about my spine you idiot. I didn’t vote for him and I’m not an American citizen. YOU HAD THE CHANCE. He was voted out and then allowed to return. I had zero ability to influence any of that.
And because of your countries moral bankruptcy, now we are preparing to defend ourselves against an ‘ally’. Many nations are doing so.
Just going to ignore all that?
And finally, I AM PROUD TO SERVE MY COUNTRY. AND I WILL ANSWER THE CALL WHEN THE TIME COMES. Even though I nor my nation had anything to do with the shit storm that is landing on our front step. Also while Americans themselves, who got us to this point, are being trampled on and not standing up for what is right. So yeah, if you guys did anything whatsoever, we wouldn’t be here. He was voted out ffs.
Back over to your strawman. But before you start again, let’s not forget letting that little J6 thing completely slide by without any consequence… what a joke.
EDIT: Calls me a bot and an alt, strawmans and then DELETES the comment outright. Guess that rebuttal was 10/10. Nice work @ChunkMcHorkle@lemmy.world