Also, please feel free to list some good examples of positive masculinity
Star Trek is kinda cheating, but Picard and Riker. Although some of Riker’s behaviour could be seen as “use and abuse of power for sex” in some scenarios, like hitting on people at 10 forward while serving as first officer in the ship they are in.
I still love the scene where for some reason Worf and Riker are in 10 forward, Riker is hitting on … someone and Worf says he wants to talk to that person. Riker’s reaction is basically “Oh shit, you wanted to get with her? All good my man, I’ll get out the way, you know me, dime’s a dozen, I fuck everyone”.
EDIT : I really like the way Star trek has lots of different examples on leadership styles and how there’s multiple ways of being a good leader. Even Jellico, although his way of handling a transition sucks.
Riker and Troi were in a big deal relationship before the events of TNG, and there’s a scene later in the show where they are talking about their respective relationships and giving each other advice and I find that quite wholesome. It’s not always easy or even possible to break up with someone and remain in contact, let alone friends, but it can happen under the right circumstances, and it’s nice to see a depiction of a breakup that doesn’t have to turn into enmity.
Most men in Star Trek would fall into this category. Sisko fills the top spot for me though, for his portrayal as a supportive, affectionate, and masculine father while balancing the responsibilities of wartime leadership.
Sisko fills the spot for me though, for his portrayal as a supportive, affectionate, and masculine father
I really like Sisko’s leadership style, and it’s exactly what I mean when it has multiple ways of being a good leader. Picard was formal , but in a way that he used it to indicate there was a structure and formality, but he used that structure and formality to indicate to his workers that they are being elevated by participating in the process of solving problems and being representatives of the federation; everyone’s input is valuable and that he is willing to give you the time of day and that you are also someone to be respected just like he is being respected.
Wheras Sisko was always right there next to his people; he knew them, he cared for them, and let you know that. He knew what you personaly needed, and what you needed differently than other people and he adjusted and knew exactly what to say and do when he interacted with you personally.
while balancing the responsibilities of wartime leadership.
… but yeah, fuck the “War Sisko” because he’s a lying, manipulative bastard with no regard for the value of life.
Star Trek is kinda cheating, but Picard and Riker. Although some of Riker’s behaviour could be seen as “use and abuse of power for sex” in some scenarios, like hitting on people at 10 forward while serving as first officer in the ship they are in.
I still love the scene where for some reason Worf and Riker are in 10 forward, Riker is hitting on … someone and Worf says he wants to talk to that person. Riker’s reaction is basically “Oh shit, you wanted to get with her? All good my man, I’ll get out the way, you know me, dime’s a dozen, I fuck everyone”.
EDIT : I really like the way Star trek has lots of different examples on leadership styles and how there’s multiple ways of being a good leader. Even Jellico, although his way of handling a transition sucks.
Riker and Troi were in a big deal relationship before the events of TNG, and there’s a scene later in the show where they are talking about their respective relationships and giving each other advice and I find that quite wholesome. It’s not always easy or even possible to break up with someone and remain in contact, let alone friends, but it can happen under the right circumstances, and it’s nice to see a depiction of a breakup that doesn’t have to turn into enmity.
Most men in Star Trek would fall into this category. Sisko fills the top spot for me though, for his portrayal as a supportive, affectionate, and masculine father while balancing the responsibilities of wartime leadership.
I really like Sisko’s leadership style, and it’s exactly what I mean when it has multiple ways of being a good leader. Picard was formal , but in a way that he used it to indicate there was a structure and formality, but he used that structure and formality to indicate to his workers that they are being elevated by participating in the process of solving problems and being representatives of the federation; everyone’s input is valuable and that he is willing to give you the time of day and that you are also someone to be respected just like he is being respected.
Wheras Sisko was always right there next to his people; he knew them, he cared for them, and let you know that. He knew what you personaly needed, and what you needed differently than other people and he adjusted and knew exactly what to say and do when he interacted with you personally.
… but yeah, fuck the “War Sisko” because he’s a lying, manipulative bastard with no regard for the value of life.
Even Kirk falls into this category.