• Heikki2@lemmy.world
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    I was making a minnow net to catch baitfish for my son. To make a cone you need a half circle of material out of mesh.

    Now in a 2D world the where there is no thickness this would be correct, if material can be added to fill gaps.

    In a 3D world, any round object with a hole and some thickness could be a straw. A washer is a straw by this logic

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    If a flat disc has no holes, how many holes does the surface of a sphere have?

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      But this one seems to be updated for some reason? The bottom spit take reaction is not the original.

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    Two people kissing make a single continous tube going from one anus to the other

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    A straw has zero holes. It’s just a flat piece of plastic wrapped around and attached to itself. Ain’t nobody drilling holes through plastic to make straws.

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    This suggests the reverse is true, that every hole is at minimum a tube.

    I’m throwing out all my cups today. I’ll jut drink from my plates.

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    A straw has one hole that is open to two entrances. Like a single tunnel. We never say that a tunnel has two holes.

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    The colloquial meaning is different from a topological definition. Anything with a through-hole has a hole at each end. It’s an ambiguous question because the answer depends whether you’re referring to a openings in the face of the object (a cylinder in the case of a straw) or the void connecting the surface openings. Perhaps the safest answer is inclusive, so three. I’ve been told I’m not fun at parties.

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      I love the unabashed sharing of topical knowledge, so you’re welcome to my party.

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      You could make infinite indentations in an object with zero holes. That’s a very poor definition for a hope topologically.

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        And yet each indentation could hold something, like cheese or a kitten, so each indentation in functionally different from a smooth surface.

        Deforming a shape changes it, thus topology is a special case of specifically ignoring most aspects of a shape.

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          But more importantly, calling any indentation a “hole” is a case of specifically ignoring the special significance of actual holes. You can’t pass through an indentation.

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            If you were to tell an average English speaker that you were going to dig an indentation, chances are high that they would misinterpret your meaning.

            On the other hand, if you told them that you were going to dig a “blind hole,” I imagine they would have a much better understanding of your meaning and you would still be technically correct.

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            That’s why we have the compound word “through-hole”.

            90% of important parts on living things are pockets and manipulations of surface area, two things completely ignored by topology. Topology is interesting mathematically, and has meaning for traversal and knot problems, but it’s not really useful to describe reality.

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              but it’s not really useful to describe reality.

              Skill issue

              really

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              but it’s not really useful to describe reality.

              This is just not true.

              What topology does for people practically, is it allows them to do a rough kind of geometric reasoning in a wide variety of cases. Further, the geometric notions defined via topology subsume many of the more intuitive notions you might already know of from the number line or the plane.

              For example, continuity of functions, convergence of sequences, interiors and boundaries of sets, connectedness and many other things are inherently topological notions that any person who has taken a typical calculus sequence should have some intuitive idea of.

              One of the biggest difference between actual pure topology and analysis is that analysis is just done in the context of really nice types of topological spaces called metric spaces in which notions of distance are available.

              Any time people are using results of calculus in the sciences, under the hood they are using details about topology on R^n.

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              That’s why we have a diverse set of words such as “divot,” “indentation,” “pit,” “well,” and so much more!

              Topology is a component of the language called “mathematics” we use to understand, describe, and model reality in concrete terms.

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        But it’s a good definition if you are, say, putting a thing into each indentation. That’s why the two definitions are different.

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            You seem to not be getting that words can have multiple (even if related) meanings. When some science or other discipline takes a common word and defines it really precisely for their purposes, that doesn’t change the definition of the common word for all usages and mandate that all lay people use it only with that discipline’s more precise definition.

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      It’s ok, the people who tell you that weren’t invited to any of the parties either.

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      That’s right you’re not let me help:

      "The colloquial cloaca meaning is different from a topological Topsy-turvy definition. Anything with a through-hole has a hole at each endsnickering. It’s an ambiguous GAY question because the answer depends whether you’re referring to a openings in the face of the objectmore-snickering (a cylinder in the case of a straw)obviously-unnecessary or the void connection the surface openings. Perhaps the safest most radical answer is inclusive, so three. I’ve been told I’m not fun at parties.’