A non beneficial mutation at best.
LibreWolf all the way
They have pushed me back to Vivaldi.
WTF man, I just want a fucking browser.
I recommend waterfox and the DuckDuckGo browser, at least those 2 are good at least
No you don’t, now suck down your government mandated AI slop and say thank you — you philistine.
I like to imagine that these CEOs just get like a million AI emails a day from alt accounts of Sam Altman begging them to put AI in everything and they’re all too stupud to realize it.
That a way yo beat dead internet theory. Get IA hallucinate the web you browse and no need to webbrowser to have internet access.
First: Every product we build must give people agency in how it works. Privacy, data use, and AI must be clear and understandable. Controls must be simple. AI should always be a choice — something people can easily turn off. People should know why a feature works the way it does and what value they get from it.
That’s a good idea to put first. Of course, like do no evil, priorities change, so we’ll need to keep a close eye on this.
Second: our business model must align with trust. We will grow through transparent monetization that people recognize and value.
Transparent is good, but if he things he’s going to add value to monetization, he’s smoking crack. There’s nothing we want from a browser that’s not already provided by a plugin.
Third: Firefox will grow from a browser into a broader ecosystem of trusted software. Firefox will remain our anchor. It will evolve into a modern AI browser and support a portfolio of new and trusted software additions.
Nobody wants that. We already had all we wanted from them in trusted software.
Its impossible to exist without money and you won’t buy a browser so
You’re right, we should be giving money to Librewolf and Waterfox.
Librewolf doesn’t actually have their own browser. They provide Firefox with a slightly modified configuration. Your comment is like saying we should give our money to door dash instead of $burger-joint despite door dash having no kitchens no equipment no beef and no cooks.
$burger-joint should have thought about that before making Door Dash the only usable ordering method, cramming AI into their lobby.
Well hopefully the different forks have their ducks in a row to strip all these “features” out down the road. So glad I use LibreWolf and not Firefox proper anymore
I don’t think anyone actually read the announcement, just the headline. Here was the new CEOs actual first point.
“First: Every product we build must give people agency in how it works. Privacy, data use, and AI must be clear and understandable. Controls must be simple. AI should always be a choice — something people can easily turn off. People should know why a feature works the way it does and what value they get from it.”
AI should always be a choice — something people can easily turn
offon. That’s how it should be.I despise AI. I don’t want it in my browser. If I want to use AI, I’ll go to Mistral or Claude.
So no text to voice/voice to text, no translation, no ocr, no summarization, no scam detection? These are useful ai features to have in a browser IMO.
Plugins exist. There is no excuse for bloat8ng the browser with these seldom used niche features by default, espexially when they represent 5% if what the AI component is doing and the other 95% are harmful to literally every living thing on the planet.
I dont consider any of those features to be bloat. “Harmful to every living thing on the planet” wtf are you referring to here?
You mean the same Claude from Anthropic? The same Anthropic working with Palantir?
And then you are here shitting on Mozilla…
You guys are a joke!
First, there should be a survey on what users actually want, no?
Because if no one wants AI and it’s “always a choice”, what you really do is waste considerable resources with as the only results, more settings users have to go through before starting using their browsers.
there is absolutely zero reason to put ai in firefox
It’d be nice if it integrated with my local ollama instance and let me pick which models I wanted to use on the fly with whatever part of the page I want.
exactly it should be a firefox extension, anyone can install if they want it.
Local ML translation was pretty cool
I like the convenience for languages I don’t speak, but when I checked it for Hungarian (that I do speak) the results are so much worse than Google Translate or DeepL, basically literal translation word-by-word, often completely losing the meaning and tone of the sentence.
Since everyone is mentioning browsers, what should we use on mobile now? Tor isn’t really a option, since most sites won’t let you access them by it.
I use Brave and haven’t had an issue with it yet. It has AI, but you can turn it off.
Also Waterfox
Firefox, Firefox Focus, Fennec, IronFox.
Plenty of choice for different needs.
compare to vivaldi flat out refusing ai, keeping mv2, and actually building a blocker and tracker into the browser.
Too bad Vivaldi is still based on Chrome.
Waterfox, Ironfox, Librewolf
Floorp
Yes but all of these depend on the development team at Firefox. I don’t know what the solution is, but I do know that those three browsers would not continue if Firefox didn’t also continue. There’s still a lot of development work from Firefox.
At this point I think the safer route would be to just accept the Chromium hegemony and build a free browser from that.
Firefox still at least have a far far far more permissive OSS license than Chromium, so I’d say stick with that
How can we write to them? This is idiotic
Come on servo
Isn’t servo what FF uses for rendering? I thought they had built that layer from scratch in Rust.
servo was initially developed by firefox so ig yeah. But it is currently under linux foundation
Never heard about it before, thank you!
Its the hope for better browsing and I am excited about it :)
From your comment it seems you don’t truly understand what Servo is.
How is it a “hope” for you?
as much as my understanding goes, its a new browser engine which is completely open source, isnt that a good thing?
Definitely a good thing and definitely (possibly) an improvement.
However Gecko is open source too and, more importantly, the engine won’t make a difference on the browser, which could still have all the worst possible features while still using the Servo engine.
Not trying to be a doomer here, I look forward to Servo and its adoption in Firefox.
well the biggest difference is servo being developed under linux foundation which is a non profit organization, that creates a huge difference in its motivation and direction.
Yes, but it is still only an engine.
Also Mozilla hasn’t done anything wrong with Gecko that could make one question its motivation or direction.
Yeah this ain’t it chief. Hope we can nuke the feature into oblivion, but we all know that won’t be possible as Firefox enshittifies
