• Koarnine@pawb.social
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    2 days ago

    I agree except for the fact that it’s unavoidable

    It’s horrific, but its inescapable, the problem is not going away and while you’re refusing to use LLMs to accelerate your progress, the opposition isn’t

    Don’t get me wrong, anyone who blindly believes sycophantic LLM garbage is a fool.

    Its taken 4 years to overcome my llm moral ocd - and its only because I need to start working, in a world where every company forces AI down your throat, there are many who simply have no choice if they want to compete

    Also I’m kinda glad I can spend more of my useful energy working towards my goals rather than battling the exact minutiae without any sort of guide

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      2 days ago

      The thing is: LLMs do not accelerate the progress of proper software development. Your processes have to be truly broken to be able to experience a net gain from using LLMs. It enables shitty coders to output pull requests that look like they were written by someone competent, and thereby effectively waste the time of skilled developers who review such pull requests out of respect for the contributor, only to find out it is utter garbage.

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        1 day ago

        I’m sorry but this is simply incorrect.

        What you are saying is true of pure vibe coding, but you get an insane net gain from using LLMs for sanity checks and as a general ‘bootstrap’ for a project.

        Yes it will make mistakes, but if you can actually program well so as to understand when it is incorrect, it is incredibly helpful as a tool.

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            18 hours ago

            You are foolish, myopic and stuck on the wrong point about AI in the first place.

            The problem with LLM bs is not that it’s not as proficient as a human, that can be remedied with time.

            The problem is that it’s essentially evil demon tech being used to fuck us all over

            You can hate me for using the demon tech, but do explain the logical reasoning behind your answer? It can be emotional reasoning though, no worries.

            To me it is purely like the best search engine you could ever encounter (perplexity specifically) and the pro version is a benefit for my banking choice so I slowly got sucked in to using a paid version for “free”…

            I would have been a luddite back in the day because I know exactly what it really means, and I stand with all workers.

            I am not a crazy AI nut, I’d rather crack one. I specialised in AI at uni until 2021 and then my moral OCD kept me from even touching AI since. Until I started using it purely as a replacement for a google search, unless I knew what I was looking for already and forgot identifying info.

            Would you rather spend hours searching about Linux issues and trying to decipher which package manager for which OS uses which commands has which packages to translate an applicable form of help to your installed system…

            Or would you rather type a question explaining what you want as you would to a human?

            ~~I used to be googlese but then they destroyed it, I’m a qwant user now because I champion european tech and eventual real sovereignty from the united states of america. ~~

            I know which exhausts me far less and allows me to focus on actual implementation and best practices using the limited time available to me on this earth but you do you.

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              13 hours ago

              You are foolish, myopic and […]

              Interesting choice of words for someone who doesn’t see the fire under the pot they are having a “cozy warm” bath in.

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                6 hours ago

                Okay buddy. You’re also in the same pot, there is no escape.

                I would love to have a real rational discussion with you, but you’re incapable of challenging your own preconcieved notions.

                I am fully aware of the fire, we’re all locked in to the pot, you’re deciding to sink in and be steadily cooked by the water rather than try to catch a raft and escape.

                That’s fine, believe you’re safer for it if you want, what do you think the correct course of action is?

                Continue with liberal norms and believe you’re doing ‘good’ because you avoid AI?

                The pot has been boiling on a higher and higher flame for years, and will continue to boil - LLM cultism just shirks responsibility and accountability, which already doesn’t come to fruition anyway.

                I hate AI cultists and Peter Thiel more than I could ever hate you. I wonder if I hate them more than you do.