• ᓚᘏᗢ@piefed.social
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      2 months ago

      Choosing not to reproduce because it’s unethical to force more humans to live as indentured slaves under capitalism on this dying hellworld… is basically the opposite of fascism?

      That you also consider antinatalism cringe though makes me think you either just don’t understand what any of these words mean, or that you’re an Overton centrist who’s just one little push away from becoming/owning a trad wife and feeding your offspring into the meat grinder to make billionaires happy.

        • 🦄🦄🦄@feddit.org
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          2 months ago

          From one anarchist trans woman to another:

          How do you figure you have the authority to force someone into existence? Like, for real. To me this feels like the most selfish act possible. I can’t see any reasons that would stand up to scrutiny to have children other than “cause I wanna”. And yes. It’s forcing them. It’s not “a gift”, since a gift can be declined.

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            2 months ago

            oohhhhh woe is meeee i nEVeR AsKEd tO BE BorN good god that’s cringe, all edge no point. This is literally 12 year old shit. And yes, your liking of eugenics is completely transparent, you don’t want anyone like you to be allowed to reproduce. That’s fascist as fuck

          • VoteNixon2016@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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            2 months ago

            If you choose not to reproduce, that’s fine, regardless of your reasons. It’s no one’s business.

            But explain to me how you pick and choose who can or “should” reproduce without sounding like a eugenics enthusiast

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                2 months ago

                Again, if it’s your personal choice to not reproduce, that’s totally fine, and I won’t try to convince you otherwise.

                As soon as you start telling other people though that producing offspring is inherently unethical and they’re a bad, selfish person for making that decision, you’re no different than the so-called “pro-life” groups, telling people that they’re morally flawed and the cause of all the problems in the world because you don’t agree with the choice they made about their reproductive system.

                The options with antinatalism are:

                1. No one reproduces and humans go extinct.
                2. Someone has to make a decision regarding who can “ethically” reproduce to maintain some stable population level.

                Option 1 is unacceptable to me because it means giving up, and at that point we might as well nuke everything to speed up the process of ending the suffering that is life. And if that’s the outlook you have, I genuinely feel bad for you.

                Option 2 is unacceptable because — surprise surprise — that’s just eugenics dressed up as caring about the environment or something. And when you and your loved ones are part of groups that have historically been forcibly sterilized at best and sent to death camps at worst, you tend to have a negative opinion about any philosophy that ultimately labels some groups as unworthy of existing.

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                  2 months ago

                  You seem extremely confused.

                  Antinatalism has precisely nothing to do with preventing people from procreating.

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                2 months ago

                It literally does, you think people like you shouldn’t get to reproduce bc you’re a sad edgelord. Explain how that’s not eugenics