I came from Reddit where they definitely did matter. They don’t seem to hold any real weight here. Is this true for some or all instances? If they don’t matter, what are they for?
I came from Reddit where they definitely did matter. They don’t seem to hold any real weight here. Is this true for some or all instances? If they don’t matter, what are they for?
The Democratic system of forum management to which I refer would work basically like this.
You choose who to speak to. You keep a list. Rating, flagging and tagging other forum members. (as opposed to having it done for you by a moderator)
This list can be something that you personally create. It can also be gotten from a friend or somebody who’s opinion you respect. It could be provided as a service, thus emulating the role of moderator. It could also be dictated to you, in the case of legally forbidden stuff. The list that you use might be the sum of several lists, tweaked over time to suit you.
(One term I’ve heard for this is “a system of silos”. Though I don’t really get the reference.)
It’s an idea that’s going around.
This is just a block list system. You can already do this now.
It’s a bit more than that but ya, it’s pretty simple and tested technology. But of course the magic is in the network.
It would effectively mean that someone new to a widely used community would potentially immediately run into spam, trolling, abuse and child porn and have to manually block a bunch of users before it looks normal.
There are other ways to get the list than manually creating it. You could get it from a friend or a list providing service. Or both. All or in part. And then optionally tweak it later.
Yes, so you mean people can simply import other users block-lists. That’s the only difference. But if someone new arrived, and didn’t know of one - they would be met with a wall of spam and abuse.
Moreover, I’d also add that websites have a legal requirement to remove child porn.
Your system just converts communities into hashtags. It’s in opposition to what this site is.
We’d have a default list available, optionally pre-installed. But this is obvious.
Yes, That is addressable via this mechanism as well.
It’s simply another way of doing a forum. A better way.
Oh, that’s an interesting idea. It’s more nuanced than just relying on upvotes, and sort of democratises the role of moderator! I was thinking maybe reporting would come into it somewhere but I see that the idea you’re describing has more depth than I was picturing. I’d be up for using a system like that, I think!
Re this, though:
Is that just admins? Does that decision sort of shift mod responsibility upwards, leaving a good majority of decisions in the hands of the public but ultimately leaving a few powerful people with more global “modding” capability still? Not trying to nitpick or be antagonistic, this sounds like a cool system to use, I’m just trying to understand
However you slice it, if mandates are handed down by the legal authorities, this is the form (black lists, added to local lists, informing filters) it would probably take.
Ah yeah I hadn’t thought about legal authorities. I guess that would entail local police forces monitoring Lemmy and blacklisting and subsequently investigating specific users or bots once they post something illegal, which seems not so feasible sadly. But, definitely up for a more democratised system of modding generally!
How are legal mandates handled in lemmy presently?
No idea honestly mate, but what I meant when I brought up the illegality was really that it’s usually very disturbing content, which mods catch and remove before loads of people have to see it.
If it’s a new account posting that stuff, I don’t know how the system we’re discussing would prevent loads of users having to see it - altho I guess if those blacklists of users were collaborative and the person or team whose list you’ve “subscribed” to catch it, maybe that solves the issue?
Ya, something like that. There would be a government man with an account, keeping an eye out. Updating the gov black list as necessary.
That feels a bit dangerous to me, sincerely. Like, what if the government mod of a country decides LGBTQ stuff is blacklisted? How do users protest the legislative blacklist? I guess just switch instance?
About the same as lemmy I guess. The gov will always be an issue