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NightOwl@lemm.ee to World News@lemmy.ml · 2 years ago

Germany set to double Ukraine military aid

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Germany set to double Ukraine military aid

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NightOwl@lemm.ee to World News@lemmy.ml · 2 years ago
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German chancellor Olaf Scholz's governing coalition has agreed in principle to double the country's military aid for Ukraine next year to 8 billion euros ($8.5 billion), a political source in Berlin said on Sunday.
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    Germany continuing their longstanding tradition of funding Nazi collaborators to kill Russians.

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      I want whatever this clown is smoking lol

      • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.ml
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        sure, it’s not like this was extensively documented in western media or anything

        • https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-30414955
        • https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-28329329
        • https://www.haaretz.com/world-news/europe/2021-05-04/ty-article/.premium/ukrainian-official-changes-tune-on-unacceptable-march-honoring-ss-unit/0000017f-e0e2-d7b2-a77f-e3e7ee990000 (https://archive.ph/ckwv4)
        • https://www.ft.com/content/7191ec30-9677-423d-873c-e72b64725c2d
        • https://gordonhahn.com/2015/05/02/ukraines-neo-fascist-right-sector-claims-responsibility-again-for-2-may-2014-terrorist-pogrom/
        • http://www.errc.org/news/anti-roma-pogroms-in-ukraine-on-c14-and-tolerating-terror
        • https://ingaza.wordpress.com/2022/08/10/what-ive-seen-of-ukraines-war-crimes-against-civilians-in-the-donbass-over-the-years/
        • https://www.hrw.org/news/2014/10/20/ukraine-widespread-use-cluster-munitions
        • https://www.npr.org/2023/01/31/1152743054/human-rights-watch-ukraine-landmines
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          All of this justifies Russia attacking a sovereign country, alright. With most of the equipment and uniforms bearing Z, the modern swastika. In mission to provide living room and freedom to true russian people. By committing genocide.

          Also, land mines. Ukraine accused of using land mines. Projections give us 700 years to remove mines in Ukraine. 700. Years. Placed by a country that did not sign the Ottawa Treaty.

          Now. Tell me about them projections. Cannot wait.

          Then call me names.

          And then a troll.

          Or do we do whataboutism again (see the links comment, adding for clarity) and then change subjects?

          Which part of the script are we rehearsing?

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            First of all, Ukraine lost its sovereignty back in 2014 in a western sponsored right wing coup that overthrew the legitimate and democratically elected government of the country.

            I also love how you just keep pushing this false narrative about the war when Stoltenberg already let the cat out of the bag. The war happened because of NATO expansion plain and simple. This is something the west continued to deny for over a year, but now it’s right there in black and white:

            Then lastly on Sweden. First of all, it is historic that now Finland is member of the Alliance. And we have to remember the background. The background was that President Putin declared in the autumn of 2021, and actually sent a draft treaty that they wanted NATO to sign, to promise no more NATO enlargement. That was what he sent us. And was a pre-condition for not invade Ukraine. Of course we didn’t sign that.

            The opposite happened. He wanted us to sign that promise, never to enlarge NATO. He wanted us to remove our military infrastructure in all Allies that have joined NATO since 1997, meaning half of NATO, all the Central and Eastern Europe, we should remove NATO from that part of our Alliance, introducing some kind of B, or second class membership. We rejected that.

            So he went to war to prevent NATO, more NATO, close to his borders.

            https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/opinions_218172.htm#:~:text=The background was that President,condition for not invade Ukraine

            Also, if you want to see what an actual genocide looks like, then look no further than to what Israel is doing with Biden’s blessing. That’s a real genocide where Israel massacred more civilians in three weeks than died in war in Ukraine in nearly two years.

            Maybe get yourself a better script.

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              What is Russia business in Ukraine’s overthrowing their government?

              How is talking Israel not changing subjects?

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                Try asking more intelligent questions so you don’t make a clown of yourself in public next time.

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              I see this Stoltenberg quote confidently thrown out so often in defence of Russia’s invasion. Do you think Russia has some kind of actual right to invade countries if NATO doesn’t do what it says? Would you be defending Germany if it sent a similar letter to the CSTO and then invaded Serbia?

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                Of course it does. It’s a superpower with a right to protect its citizens from the threats of the world’s most aggressive military alliance, making threats to install nukes etc. Do you think the US would behave differently?

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                  Hot take but if the USA invaded Mexico because the CSTO refused to stop accepting members then I would, in fact, think that that was bad actually

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                    But that’s not a singular scenario. If you want an analogy it would be Russia or China installing nukes on the US-Mexico border and constantly talking shit.

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                No world power will tolerate an aggressive military alliance on its borders. If you don’t understand this basic fact, then what else is there to say to you. NATO has been invading and destroyed countries for decades since USSR fell. The principle of invading countries because might makes right is already established by NATO.

                It’s pretty funny that you bring up Serbia, given that what Russia is doing in Ukraine is directly modelled on what NATO did to Yugoslavia. NATO recognized independence of the separatist regions and then had them invite NATO to assist. This is precisely the formula Russia followed with DPR and LPR. Russia is just following the rules based world order here buddy.

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                    Also worth noting that Pakistan and India were created by the British when they got kicked out as effectively a scorched earth policy. The British used this same strategy in the Middle East in order to create unstable political entities that would be at each others throats.

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                  If it’s a free for all, Germany and its friends can do what they want and send Ukraine as many weapons as they like, can’t they? Why have you got a problem with it? Under your logic they’re just doing what world powers do

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                    Where did I say I had a problem with anything? The west chose to play a stupid game, and it’s very clearly turning into a debacle. Evidently you still don’t understand what’s happening though.

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          I don’t think that’s enough please post more links!

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            it’s pretty clear you’ll ignore whatever doesn’t fit with the fantasies you live in though

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              Can you please explain to the people in the back what these fantasies are?

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                your original comment that I replied to already explains them perfectly well

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                  And the bravado is gone…

                  Sad

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                    yes, your trolling is very sad and transparent

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