Transphobic comments

Intentionally silencing the truth

    • PowerSeries@lemmy.ca
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      1 year ago

      Careful you don’t come off as a sealion.

      Though this is a thread about Wayland so eh.

      • clearleaf@lemmy.world
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        1 year ago

        This comic never made sense to me. She hates sea lions because they don’t let people talk shit about them. Seems like she’s the problem here in neo london where sapient sea lions live among us. They’re here, get over it.

        • Kindness@lemmy.ml
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          1 year ago

          because they don’t let people talk shit about them

          The manner in which you engage in dialogue is important.

          Pretending to not understand another person’s viewpoint, and annoying them into compliance, is arguing in bad faith. Arguments in bad faith are malicious deception.

          Nobody wants to speak with sea lions because even if you explain in good faith, it won’t amount to anything except your own frustration. A summary of the heart of the sea lion: Arguing with me is pointless. “And now that you’re mad, you’ll know better than to talk shit about sea lions.”

          Don’t be a sea lion. You can protest opinions without being manipulative or rude about it.

          • Communist@lemmy.ml
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            1 year ago

            …do you actually think the sea lion understands why people hate sea lions?

            None of this is in the comic.

            • Kindness@lemmy.ml
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              1 year ago

              They must, by definition. So yes. But for the sake of illustration, let’s assume someone who acts like a sea lion isn’t arguing in bad faith, but they aren’t arguing in good faith either. Whether they and unintentionally annoying, or not, ultimately makes no difference to the people around them.

              Let’s say a specific oblivious person is combative and persistent. They are not truly trying to understand something, they just want to be right. You try to explain why their responses could be considered rude and prompt self reflection.

              A) Will they evaluate themselves and realize what they are doing? B) Will they argue because they insist on being right?

              The former is a rude person, but they are someone trying to figure out the world. Whether you engage with them or not, eventually they will realize their actions are causing disengagement. We’re all trying to learn and become better versions of ourselves. This person made some mistakes, realizes it, then changes.

              There is no point in engaging the latter. Their lack of self awareness is irrelevant to the outcome and your mental state. Leave them alone, and don’t respond. If you do respond, and they realize they are wrong, but continue: they become a sea-lion if the fake politeness, and troll if they become inflammatory.

              Don’t feed the trolls. If they want to, “be right,” they can be alone in thinking they’re right, and you can get back to learning and bettering yourself.

              None of this is in the comic.

              No satirical comic literally explains the intent of the comic; intent must be inferred based on the events it depicts. Or you can search the internet, Know Your Meme attempts to track culture and context. Yay for them.

      • Kindness@lemmy.ml
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        1 year ago

        The point of the sea lion is persistent argument in bad faith.

        The difference between, “prove your opinion,” can be subtle in its difference from, “why do you think that?”

        Insinuating someone is badgering and being maliciously dishonest, because they asked for context, is poor etiquette.

      • Communist@lemmy.ml
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        1 year ago

        I’m absolutely team sea-lion here, did you read that comic?

        I mean, just imagine if the sea-lion was a black person…

    • interceder270@lemmy.world
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      1 year ago

      Damn, imagine having to answer this question every time you say you don’t like something.

      Something tells me you don’t ask this when people say they hate X.

      • RageAgainstTheRich@lemmy.world
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        1 year ago

        By x you mean twitter? Maybe because its very clear and visible why its shit.

        With Wayland, not so much. I don’t see any issues with it either, so by asking someone who hates it, why. Maybe that person will mention something i didn’t know yet and see their perspective.

      • Communist@lemmy.ml
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        1 year ago

        I mean yeah, it’s obvious why X/twitter is shit, everyone has the exact same opinion about this.

        Why would I ask about that when the answer is obvious? And why would I not ask when the answer isn’t obvious?

          • Communist@lemmy.ml
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            1 year ago

            There’s also plenty of obvious reasons to hate the X windowing system. Like that it’s unmaintained and going the way of the dodo. Plus learning about a system that is old is less interesting than something that is new. I don’t care about the ways a dead, unmaintained system sucks, so why would I ask?

              • Communist@lemmy.ml
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                1 year ago

                Your point being…?

                If you wanted to know my opinions on X11, you could’ve just asked!

                  • Communist@lemmy.ml
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                    1 year ago

                    Yeah, and I explained why that was true, why would I be interested in comments about X being bad? Where does that go?

                    Your point seems like nonsense. Of course I don’t ask about X. There’s also a billion other things I don’t ask about, because they’re boring.