As a Hungarian, No thanks, we don’t want russian soldiers again in our country. Can’t we agree on socialism without involving Russia?
Preventing Hungary from participating in colonialism, including by invading Iraq and Afghanistan, is not some sort of oppression that you try to imply it to be.
If Russia became socialist again, genuinely what remains to be the problem?
it would defend itself if hungary decided to invade it again, and that’s just mean
The other traits and our autonomy.
What “other traits?” If you’re not going to clarify, it just sounds like racism.
Mostly dictatorship. I have no problems with russian people.
The RSFSR wasn’t a dictatorship, though, and there’s no reason to think they would be if Russia returned to socialism. Your comment just reads that Russians have a natural, inherent tendency towards dictatorships outside of connection to the mode of production they are in, which is why it sounds racist.
our autonomy to gleefully assist in the holocaust? their strange trait of making us stop gleefully assisting in the holocaust? you’re gonna have to be less cryptic here.
I was talking about a hypothetical scenario in which Russia became socialist again. I could use our autonomy for useful things.
oh sure, we could, but does it look like we’re going to any day soon?
Okay, but how does this relate to the meme about prison population?
It’s the post description
we only got russians in our country the last time because we decided to be disgusting genocidal fascists and the soviets attempted to reeducate us. alas, it didnt stick.
I suspect for some folks Stalin is bad because anyone else would have let the USSR capitulate to the wehrmacht invasion.
I suspect for some folks Stalin is bad because […]
For most folks in the west, stalin is considered to be a brutal authoritarian dictator who made a deal with the nazis to carve up europe into spheres of influence. It should not be surprising to anyone that a lot of anarchists hold to that view, especially given stalin’s view of anarchists (see below).
We are not the kind of people who, when the word “anarchism” is mentioned, turn away contemptuously and say with a supercilious wave of the hand: “Why waste time on that, it’s not worth talking about!” We think that such cheap “criticism” is undignified and useless.
Nor are we the kind of people who console themselves with the thought that the Anarchists “have no masses behind them and, therefore, are not so dangerous.” It is not who has a larger or smaller “mass” following today, but the essence of the doctrine that matters. If the “doctrine” of the Anarchists expresses the truth, then it goes without saying that it will certainly hew a path for itself and will rally the masses around itself. If, however, it is unsound and built up on a false foundation, it will not last long and will remain suspended in mid-air. But the unsoundness of anarchism must be proved.
Some people believe that Marxism and anarchism are based on the same principles and that the disagreements between them concern only tactics, so that, in the opinion of these people, it is quite impossible to draw a contrast between these two trends.
This is a great mistake.
We believe that the Anarchists are real enemies of Marxism. Accordingly, we also hold that a real struggle must be waged against real enemies. Therefore, it is necessary to examine the “doctrine” of the Anarchists from beginning to end and weigh it up thoroughly from all aspects.
So if I may ask you a question - if marxism and anarchism are fundamentally enemies, as stalin himself argued, why would any anarchist support the modern day ML penchant for rehabilitating stalin’s reputation? It makes no sense. But sure, keep telling yourself anarchists hate stalin because of his virtues and not because of his other characteristics.
You joke but there is legit someone calling themselves anarchist who said that the 27 million soviets the nazis killed deserved it because of the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact
Regardless I don’t think they’re lamenting Germany’s defeat.
They’re a power mod on their instance too
stops at berlin
“I think they learned their lesson…”Fair
I made this in 2019
I saw it reposted all over. Thank you for your service 🫡
Thank you for your service
Thank you for your service comrade
Your memes are the backbone of the online communist community at this point.
The ones I shared on r/ChapoTrapHouse in 2019, like this and the space race one, are by far the most proliferated. The reach of that sub explains why the feds had to shut it down.
Imagine a bunch of shitposters scaring the shit out of the feds. This year they have already nuked 3 more communist subreddits.
This meme is old. Now it’s 25%
PROGRESS
Inb4 “tWo ThInGs CaN bE bad At OnCe” from someone comparing something real the empire is doing with a story that same empire told them about someone else.
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Funny that this is the exact same “logic” the libs use to try to defend running a pro-zionist, pro-corporate, pro-billionaire slimeball in the last US presidential election - “But Trump was worse!”
Stalin wasn’t a saint, but he is overly demonized as compared to his peers. There has been a century of anticommunist mud-slinging at him, and now that the soviet archives are somewhat open, we can begin to actually judge him properly. Unlike Trump, Stalin was the leader of the world’s first socialist state, and a good portion of soviet success in their earlier years can be attributed to policies he pushed for.
Demystifying Stalin
I know that after my death a pile of rubbish will be heaped on my grave, but the wind of History will sooner or later sweep it away without mercy.
- J. V. Stalin
- Nia Frome’s “Tankies”
[8 min]
- W. E. B Dubois’ On Stalin
[6 min]
- Domenico Losurdo’s Primitive Thinking and Stalin as Scapegoat
[30 min]
- Domenico Losurdo’s Stalin and Stalinism in History
[16 min]
[42 min]
[38 min]
[9 min]
- Domenico Losurdo’s Stalin: The History and Critique of a Black Legend
[5 hr 51 min]
- Ludo Martens’ Another View of Stalin
[5 hr 25 min]
- Anna Louise Strong’s This Soviet World
Stalin's Major Theoretical Contributions to Marxism
I have come to communism because of daddy Stalin and nobody must come and tell me that I mustn’t read Stalin. I read him when it was very bad to read him. That was another time. And because I’m not very bright, and a hard-headed person, I keep on reading him. Especially in this new period, now that it is worse to read him. Then, as well as now, I still find a Seri of things that are very good.
- Che Guevara
because of daddy Stalin
😂😂😂😂 Che was a mood
Yea lol. I’m told it’s much more friendly and less sexual in the original spanish, more a quirk of translation, haha.
Stalin was the leader of the world’s first socialist state
Socialist state is a contradiction in terms.
Stalin was CEO of USSR Incorporated.
Socialism can have a state, a contradiction in terms would be a communist state or an anarchist state. Socialism is simply a mode of production by which public, collectivized production is the principle aspect of the economy. The USSR was not a business, nor were the “profits” distributed to public officials, that just wasn’t how the soviet economy functioned.
9·1 day agoNo it isn’t. Socialism has a state, only communism doesn’t. No matter how you define state.
i wonder how your instance turned into a nazi bar
It didn’t. And I’m an anarchist.
If you’re going to rely on ad hominems, you should at least try to make them somewhat accurate and relevant.
You have the fucking nerve to say that after calling the USSR a corporation. You’re not even a radlib; you’re a Christopher Hitchens neocon.
And yes your instance is a nazi bar. You just recently had to be shamed into banning one of your mods ADVOCATING for the holocaust.
Um… no. I’m an anarchist.
And you sound like a helicopter parent who’s balanced on that fine line between hysterical tears and explosive rage because somebody at the playground said something mean about their darling USSR.
Yeah well you’re also this bad thing with a tediously long unfunny description
It’s not just a matter of the US being worse, this undermines the credibility of every single accusation regarding human rights that the US makes about any other country
Ah so everything was chill in the USSR then? Stalin didn’t have any secret police or totalitarian access to power?
Well you see, I watched half of the yellow lecture and now good thing bad and bad thing good! Its Dialectical Materialism!
Neo-Stalinism is a meme ideology that produces radical liberal bureaucrats, not revolutionaries.
But principled MLs and Maoists are much better at decolonial struggles and centralization than most of the left. And they tend to be much better educated on history and theory than the based Stalinists, and certainly most ambient liberals.
The trick is to learn to tell the difference between aspirational leftists and real ones. The real movement, you can disagree but you have to prove yourself in action because in political struggle the stakes are real. And to be effective we have to work together in evaluating and acting on what is objectively real. But in the real movement, people come from all different backgrounds, and live in all different environments that affects the way they look at social problems.
The people you’re arguing with don’t understand that the most loyal supporters that Stalin enabled in those early days after the revolution, were later executed/purged on trumped (heh) up charges of anarchism and Trotskyism. They have memorized a few apologetics for why its good actually, or never really happened. Its because they want to be actual practical organizers, but they’re still idealists who think repeating certain phrases legitimizes them. The older ML and Maoist organizers know this too, and try to educate where they can but any movement can become sectarian and self referential.
Don’t take the bait, the history is deeply contradictory no one really understands how easily it breaks people’s brains. Its better not to worry and focus on doing something real
No, he was a competent leader. Why on earth wouldn’t he have counterintelligence operations against the CIA and others? Do you remember what they did to their own citizens during the war “just in case we need to do it to the Soviets and not just black people 😉”. Are you advocating defenselessness against the torture regime of the USA?
Who said that
Frankly not a tankie or a capitalist, but I’m pretty sure Stalin was shitty for other reasons. Admirable reasons at time as in the case of being a cold-mother fucker enough to gank his own son for the revolution. But reasons, surely.
Stalin’s government tremendously improved the living standards of people in its territory, and compares favourably to almost all (if not all) European leaderships of 20th and 21st centuries (including European settler-colonies, but those are even more obviously awful). I’d say that he wasn’t ‘shitty’.
The “shitty” I’d quantify as the sometimes downright underhanded defense of the ideology of the party of his age, more than any direct moral failings on his part. Or a commentary on the necessary rules of engagement for revolt in Russia traditionally suck for the revolutionaries and those who follow them and attempt to safeguard their philosophical ideals.
Granted, you’re right, came in joking a little hot and heavy and I could have explained my punchlines better
Stalin wasn’t a perfect saint nor a horrendous monster. Stalin was a real socialist, with personal failings and mistakes, but also real victories and advancements as the leader of the first socialist state in its most turbulent era.
Demystifying Stalin
I know that after my death a pile of rubbish will be heaped on my grave, but the wind of History will sooner or later sweep it away without mercy.
- J. V. Stalin
- Nia Frome’s “Tankies”
[8 min]
- W. E. B Dubois’ On Stalin
[6 min]
- Domenico Losurdo’s Primitive Thinking and Stalin as Scapegoat
[30 min]
- Domenico Losurdo’s Stalin and Stalinism in History
[16 min]
[42 min]
[38 min]
[9 min]
- Domenico Losurdo’s Stalin: The History and Critique of a Black Legend
[5 hr 51 min]
- Ludo Martens’ Another View of Stalin
[5 hr 25 min]
- Anna Louise Strong’s This Soviet World
Stalin's Major Theoretical Contributions to Marxism
I have come to communism because of daddy Stalin and nobody must come and tell me that I mustn’t read Stalin. I read him when it was very bad to read him. That was another time. And because I’m not very bright, and a hard-headed person, I keep on reading him. Especially in this new period, now that it is worse to read him. Then, as well as now, I still find a Seri of things that are very good.
- Che Guevara
Agreed, and to clarify, I’m pretty much a socialist, just think co-operatives oughta be allowed to hold similar assets to a state, (within the laws of a state in question) ideally subsidiary to the state’s own collectivized system. The cold bit about Stalin was crediting the fellow with having more idealogical depth than the simple “funny gulag man” many paint him as.
Many socialist states do have cooperative sectors, the PRC has a pretty big cooperative sector, as did the USSR. At higher levels of development they become less useful, though, as production outscales simple cooperative formations. As for Stalin, again, he’s not as bad as the Red Scare painted him as.
True, why I count myself among y’all, I just quibble over the details frankly. Bad habit of mine. The results themselves overall in terms of quality of life speak volumes over the reduction in quality of life under capitalist systems generally. Even with failures like Mao’s famines.
Frankly the socialist states are generally more friendly to cooperatives over corporations. But again I call myself a social corporatist and folks usually imagine I’m arguing in favor of a techno-libertarian corporate congress. Pardon me for the lack of outright clarity.
Not to sound rude, but have you read much Marxist theory? There’s good reason why we generally see cooperatives as only really useful in certain levels of development and certain industries for a certain period of time, and not as the basis of production.
True, and yes unfortunately on Marxist theory and commentary. Part of why I’m a disillusioned corporatist if I still count as one and not an outright socialist. What can I say, Marx makes good arguments for economies of scale.
Any reason you still hold to corporatism?
Che, please don’t call him that.
Yea it’s a bit iffy, lol.
I swear it don’t sound as bad in Spanish lmao, “papi” can even be something you call a friend
Oh, gotcha! Makes sense, my spanish is super rusty and I didn’t think about the different context it would have in spanish.
ITT: trash takes
ITT: Nazi Libs from the ShitJustFash instance
I mean this doesn’t prove Stalin not bad.
Are these stats including dead people or just prisoners? I feel like Stalin may have been fielding a murder-forward build.
Source: The black book of gommunism
Checkmate
“USA bad so Soviets good” is also propaganda.
Propaganda just means pushing a particular viewpoint, said viewpoint can be correct. Secondly, the point isn’t that the soviets were good because the US is bad, but that the soviets are judged unfairly and harshly compared to their peers, a product of the Red Scare.
Google the etymology of the word ‘propaganda’.
Just because it’s propaganda doesn’t mean it’s not true
you just blew somebody’s mind right there
The last time I said that and posted a dictionary entry definition, the user without an original thought claimed that’s not the way the average person uses the word and I’m wrong. 🤷♀️
Should have told the to pop a gander at deez nuts
Holodomor?
Joseph Gobbles lives on
Yeah what?
Isn’t it interesting how this version of him has many medals, yet he is usually only pictured sporting one medal: Hero of the Soviet Union
Yeah, although it’s not Hero of the Soviet Union medal, he recieved that one only after WW2 victory (and exactly for leading USSR during war). The one he always wore before, including on the photos you linked is Hero of Socialist Labour medal, easily distinguishable up close by slimmer star and hammer and sickle in the middle, but looking pretty similar from afar.
Ah, that’s right. Very hard to tell, but in one of the photos of him it does seem to have a hammer and sickle on it.
This is fake. I read he used a giant spoon. Stop spreading pRoPaGaNdA.
Nobody denies that there was a famine in the 1930s, what leftists deny is the idea that it was intentional. The myth that the 1930s famine was intentional is largely disregarded by modern soviet historians.
You’re lying. I have the evidence right here.
You know what famine was actually man-made though? The Bengal Famine.
A famine that happened in an area that had periodic famines for the entirety of recorded history until the communists took over, no more famines since then lol, get new material loser
Couldn’t find any info on periodic famines at that area. Do you mind sharing any clue, like name, specific area, years? Genuinely interested.
On communist part. Ukraine SSR was established in 22, Holodomor started in 32. Famine in Tatarstan started in 21, year after Tatar ASSR established. So something not adding up. Even if one ignores those. There were no famines after USSR collapse in both areas. Feel free to point one if I’m missing something.
If you couldn’t find any info it’s because you’re not trying, and lol @ “plz give me sources” followed immediately by specific claims with no sources
IDK how you know did I try or not. Sorry I didn’t spent whole day searching of info you claim to be true when it took me 5 mins to debunk your other claims. If you have some rare knowledge or you are some sort of history expert you are doing poor job spreading what you think is truth.
You need a source for what dates of establishment of Ukraine SSR or ASSR? Or Tatarstan femine, that is first hit in search - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1921–1922_famine_in_Tatarstan. You are so protective of communists so I assumed you knew some basic dates on topic. If you don’t, that’s also first hit in search. Let me know if you need help with that.
Also, adding “lol” doesn’t make it stronger argument, lol.
Step 1: Search “Famines in Russia”
Step 2: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Droughts_and_famines_in_Russia_and_the_Soviet_UnionWow hey look at that literally all it took was typing the exact words into the website you were already on, like I said you weren’t trying
USA bad, tankies gonna tank. Idk what their point even is, just edgy internet bullshit.
