My issue is discovery. I’ll take a look at what they’ve done here, but ive never been able to implement a reliable discovery process into my workflow. I still use local music, but my wife is not going to switch until I get at least some reliable and effective discovery built.
I scrobble all my navidrome activity to listenbrainz, which gives a weekly playlist of recommendations. You might have to wait a few weeks before it can establish your tastes depending on how much music you play.
But I need to get those recommendations to automatically populate into playlist in my music app so its all in one place. Thats the challenge. Providing a close to as good service as Spotify.
The thing that flipped it for me was realizing the Spotify algorithm isn’t actually about discovering new music, it’s about driving profit. Idealism aside, what that tactically means for music discovery is the recommendations are based primarily around what they want to play, and then secondarily around what you might like.
It means that you’re only discovering a subset of music you might like that is profitable to Spotify and their big record label partners.
After realizing that, the Spotify algorithm lost a lot of interest for me. Now I use SomaFM to discover new music. They do curated music channels in a bunch of different genres, and I find that the DJs have a similar taste to mine, so I hear a good amount of new music I’m into.
No, you don’t need that. You want it because it’s convenient and we live in a consumerist society where everything “needs” to be “frictionless”. Intentionally clicking on an artist’s bandcamp page to listen to a recommendation is fine. It’s a lot easier than mail order or taking the bus to the record store to buy a copy.
I get what you’re saying, but we need to question the parameters of the challenges more often.
You did literally say “my” in there, though, so yea you did. I’m not surprised he assumed that, and either way I guess his comment can be redirected at your family members.
My wife and I have 3 small children, full time jobs, and no daycare. I can definitely say our life is not frictionless. I dont think there is anything wrong with wanting some things to be easy, and I dont blame her for not wanting to switch when I dont have something better.
You don’t need those either. You can learn to play an instrument, enjoy music on the Sunday mass, or wait until the local troubadour visits your place.
Just went through this with both kids… The word “need” always implies a goal. “I need x (to do y)”. Without context, the goal is generally either survival, or more often, comfort: “I need a drink.” “I need a break.”
When you’re speaking in the context of doing something, as superglue was, that becomes the implied goal. “I need those recommendations to automatically populate (in order for my wife to be comfortable using this)” is a perfectly valid use of the word “need”.
Communities, friends, family and media are your discovery algorithm! Get involved in things. It makes your music acquisitions meaningful and makes the experience of discovering and listening to music so much better.
My issue is discovery. I’ll take a look at what they’ve done here, but ive never been able to implement a reliable discovery process into my workflow. I still use local music, but my wife is not going to switch until I get at least some reliable and effective discovery built.
I scrobble all my navidrome activity to listenbrainz, which gives a weekly playlist of recommendations. You might have to wait a few weeks before it can establish your tastes depending on how much music you play.
But I need to get those recommendations to automatically populate into playlist in my music app so its all in one place. Thats the challenge. Providing a close to as good service as Spotify.
This post from the self-hosted community is probably what you’re looking for, then
The thing that flipped it for me was realizing the Spotify algorithm isn’t actually about discovering new music, it’s about driving profit. Idealism aside, what that tactically means for music discovery is the recommendations are based primarily around what they want to play, and then secondarily around what you might like.
It means that you’re only discovering a subset of music you might like that is profitable to Spotify and their big record label partners.
After realizing that, the Spotify algorithm lost a lot of interest for me. Now I use SomaFM to discover new music. They do curated music channels in a bunch of different genres, and I find that the DJs have a similar taste to mine, so I hear a good amount of new music I’m into.
This is spot on (pun intended).
No, you don’t need that. You want it because it’s convenient and we live in a consumerist society where everything “needs” to be “frictionless”. Intentionally clicking on an artist’s bandcamp page to listen to a recommendation is fine. It’s a lot easier than mail order or taking the bus to the record store to buy a copy.
I get what you’re saying, but we need to question the parameters of the challenges more often.
I didn’t say i needed it personally, I need it if I’m going to get my family members to drop Spotify for my service.
You did literally say “my” in there, though, so yea you did. I’m not surprised he assumed that, and either way I guess his comment can be redirected at your family members.
Sure I can see that.
My wife and I have 3 small children, full time jobs, and no daycare. I can definitely say our life is not frictionless. I dont think there is anything wrong with wanting some things to be easy, and I dont blame her for not wanting to switch when I dont have something better.
And that much I get. We all make some sacrifices to allow ourselves to survive and hopefully have the energy for the bigger changes.
You don’t need those either. You can learn to play an instrument, enjoy music on the Sunday mass, or wait until the local troubadour visits your place.
It’s just easier with the record store.
Just went through this with both kids… The word “need” always implies a goal. “I need x (to do y)”. Without context, the goal is generally either survival, or more often, comfort: “I need a drink.” “I need a break.”
When you’re speaking in the context of doing something, as superglue was, that becomes the implied goal. “I need those recommendations to automatically populate (in order for my wife to be comfortable using this)” is a perfectly valid use of the word “need”.
This is the way
If you’re fortunate enough to live near a well-funded library, you can peruse their new arrivals section for CDs. That’s how I discover new artists
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Communities, friends, family and media are your discovery algorithm! Get involved in things. It makes your music acquisitions meaningful and makes the experience of discovering and listening to music so much better.
I discover new music through Discord groups, YouTube, and Internet radio.