gtk3, gtk4 (probably?) qt, qt in flatpak, gtk3 in flatpak, gtk4 in flatpak (probably)… I’m just not fighting it anymore

  • es_eskaliert@feddit.orgEnglish
    1·
    8 hours ago

    To be fair, this screenshot also does not have the default adwaita icon pack selected but instead something what I think might be the Mint theme(?)

  • burntbacon@discuss.tchncs.de
    14·
    24 hours ago

    Heh, everyone here seems to be coming from kde or gnome, and I’m over here with xfce like that guy with the bong while the two girls fight.

  • Mactan@lemmy.ml
    13·
    1 day ago

    this from the people that stonewalled server side decorations in wayland

  • Horsey@lemmy.world
    5·
    22 hours ago

    I was under the impression that one could force these to be themed, is that inaccurate? KDE Fedora btw.

  • Libertus@lemmy.world
    37·
    2 days ago

    Unfortunately, the issue is more widespread in the world of UI design. Even in closed ecosystems like Windows, you have a random mix of different UI styles, and this cancer called “flat design” makes things even worse. Carl Svensson published a nice blog post about exactly this issue a couple of years ago: https://datagubbe.se/decusab/

  • Samsy@lemmy.ml
    343·
    2 days ago

    As someone using a tiling wm idk what these buttons are for.

    • AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world
      1·
      8 hours ago

      Kde has mostly small padding and alignment issues instead of having a completely random design.
      I can live with that.

    • Allero@lemmy.today
      181·
      1 day ago

      Honestly I just want KDE to do the backbone and GNOME to do the designs.

      Adwaita apps look just right, minimalistic yet powerful, pinnacle of modern simplified designs. Everything you actually need is close, and the rest doesn’t clog the view.

      The rest of GNOME is heavily meh. Customization is next to nothing, and generally any workflow falling outside the one window = one task paradigm is gonna be a pain. Settings are convoluted and sometimes straight up unreachable without additional tools or config edits (and sometimes they don’t even apply).

      I guess what unites Adwaita and GNOME project overall is the stubborn adversity to users making it comfy for themselves - it’s the GNOME way, or no way. And while Adwaita is at least actually good in its defaults, GNOME is not.

      KDE, on the other hand, is brilliant as a desktop environment, but menus could be so, so much better. So, when I have a choice, I use Adwaita-themed apps on KDE. With proper theming on KDE side of things, they come together just right.

      • bitwolf@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
        4·
        1 day ago

        Agreed completely.

        KDE just feels better and more performant. Even if GNOME Shell uses less memory in its own, it doesnt always feel good to use.

        However GNOME Shell and Adwaita are beautiful, consistent, and designed through human feedback. KDE is fragmented, too nested, and has so many conflicting designs.

        Its not possible to make KDE feel exactly like GNOME Shell but I wish I could.

      • pineapple@lemmy.mlEnglish
        1·
        22 hours ago

        This is kinda how I feel about gnome too. I haven’t really gave it a full proper try but it’s just so hard to do any kind of customization that I just kind of gave up and switched to kde.

    • bilouba@jlai.lu
      4·
      23 hours ago

      Pixel perfect doesn’t mean that things will feel aligned. This is a very naive vision of UI design. I’m not saying that things can’t be improved but this is not a valid point

    • malwieder@feddit.org
      292·
      2 days ago

      Some points are valid, but this looks more like the author (of the image) wanted to highlight as much as possible to confirm their own bias (that it’s not well designed). Maybe I’m being ragebaited, but here we go:

      Different font size and styles for main panel header

      Yeah, one shows breadcrumbs and the other a title.

      First icon is narrower than the rest

      First one is the “start menu” button. The tasks could also have text labels on them, of course they can have a different width to an unrelated element.

      Content not even remotely close to being vertically centred in its box.

      It can show two lines of text (as evidenced by the third item in the same row). It would look pretty bad if every item was centered on their own.

      This is absolutely pixel perfect alignment. More like this please!

      It looks good, but the red line the author connected from the snowflake to the horizontal line of the “H” doesn’t necessarily back their claim that this is “absolutely pixel perfect alignment” because the horizontal line of the “H” might not be geometrically centered to the line height of the text and you could also have different characters in different languages.

      Yeah, some elements like the scrollbars aren’t positioned well (in this screenshot, this is a bit outdated tbh). But there’s also the concept of a visual center as opposed to the geometric center.

    • Xylight@lemdro.idEnglish
      261·
      2 days ago

      GNOME: Designers trying to Develop a desktop. KDE: Developers trying to Design a desktop.

      • marduk@lemmy.sdf.org
        1·
        22 hours ago

        Yeah there’s no way I could come close to as-good as their UI. I’m just here to watch the CSS nerds fight

    • Kilgore Trout@feddit.itEnglish
      161·
      2 days ago


      Looks much better to me nowadays, although yes, I am not using the default Breeze theme. But if there are any problems in the theme I am using, they are much more likely to not be present in Breeze.
      Some “issues” pointed out in the picture are not issues at all.
      The “Different font styles and sizes” for example, because they are used for different things with different scopes and user interaction.

    • stuner@lemmy.world
      6·
      2 days ago

      I feel it has gotten much better in recent years. The first time I tried KDE 5 it looked weird to me. But now I acutally quite like KDE 6. Or maybe I’ve just learned to tolerate it…

    • PieMePlenty@lemmy.world
      44·
      1 day ago

      I have a theory that if everything was pixel perfect, centered, perfectly aligned and looked the same, the thing would look too sterile. There’s basically a perfect world, written down in books and texts that is being taught to students and there’s the real world. In many areas, these two do not match and the above image is the result of someone’s text book world view not matching the real world.

      Could the discover store have a better UI? Yes. Will a centered, down-anchored, pixel perfect button make it better? Subjective.

  • monovergent 🛠️@lemmy.ml
    25·
    2 days ago

    I’m very glad to see projects like libadapta as themable alternatives to the libadwaita dogma. I’ve painstakingly themed my desktop to look and feel like a cohesive, modernized NT 4 workstation and should seriously consider contributing to libadapta in anticipation of libadwaita coming to more and more programs.

    I am very stubborn about my computer’s GUI, but also hopeful the community can bring back theming where GNOME is dead set against it. If they can make WindowBlinds for modern Windows, the equivalent in Linux is definitely achievable.

    • omawarisan@lemmy.worldOP
      8·
      2 days ago

      A bit off-topic, but I really appreciate projects that respect their upstreams, and attempt to improve in their own ways (from libadapta’s README):

      LibAdwaita has the right to be what it wants to be and to not support what it doesn’t want to support.

    • HakFoo@lemmy.sdf.org
      19·
      2 days ago

      What problem does CSD solve? I’d think “some apps look and work differently” is a pretty bad tradeoff for “I want to cram custom stuff in the title bar which was more or less universally treated as owned-by-the-system for the first 35 years of GUIs at least?”

      GTK/GNOME seem to be making themselves actively hostile towards customization, which seems a great way to lose enthusiasts.