• anotherspinelessdem@lemmy.ml
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    but literal lost ability to think critically among possibly an entire generation of people depending on how long the grifting can keep going.

    Eh, have some faith in today’s youth. They’re brighter than you give them credit for, if nothing else because they’ve got records of the experiences of other recent generations.

    If I’m that kid I’m pulling in plenty of cash from some dipshit tech bro to fund my own goals or just fuck around and have fun while he gets legacy code that’s already out there and isn’t bright enough to figure out. Also, he’s in high school, there’s no real price he’ll pay when the scam comes undone, he’s just a kid.

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      They’re brighter than you give them credit for, if nothing else because they’ve got records of the experiences of other recent generations.

      I’d like to think most people learn from history, but they clearly don’t.

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      Well I do have faith in the youth, its just the elder capitalists that are looking to exploit them I’m worried about. I’m worried there will be a point when taking the time to actually learn how things work will put someone at a disadvantage under capitalism because those who are willing to “vibe code” their way into jobs will have the advantage of stuff that works “right now” instead of working “well”, and the people doing the hiring and running the companies are all about “right now”.

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        It was already like that! Before it was vibe coding, it was dissembling in interview, leaning on your colleagues, and switching job every 3-6 months. But let’s not pretend there won’t also always be a class of people who actually find the challenge of programming to be interesting. People aren’t gonna suddenly change their nature just because there are new tools to inflate yourself with. An analogy might be that nobody knows how to calculate trig fns from first principles any more because calculators exist - this is patently false.

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          I’m not saying there won’t be people who have interest in learning things for fun, I’m just thinking if it gets bad enough those sort of people will have a hard time competing with “vibe coders” for the same jobs. When the crash finally does come, those real developers will be in huge demand of course, but the question is how long will that take, and what kind of problems will we be creating up till then.

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            Tbh I have always had limited sympathy for people who want to be ‘developers’ but can’t be arsed to actually learn how to do the job. Will it suck for them? Yeah, probably. I kinda think they deserve it though.

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      Eh, have some faith in today’s youth. They’re brighter than you give them credit for, if nothing else because they’ve got records of the experiences of other recent generations.

      Just because the records are there, doesn’t mean anyone is going to actually look at them.

      How many generations ago was WWII? Seems like everyone already forgot the lessons from that one…