It would take less than 16hrs of labor per week to make sure everyone has access to all human needs and a reasonable amount of human wants.
Er, based on what? Because infrastructure is difficult, complex, and fantastically expensive.
What level of medical care does this estimate involve? Modern hospitals require massive amounts of labor to keep operational, especially if you account for all the external inputs (e.g. consumables like IV bags and exam gloves and lab analysis equipment).
Bro they’re a troll. They literally did not make a single point in that entire post, it’s just rage bait. No one has made even a single one of the “claims” that theyre attempting to parrot.
Are you capable of reading? There was a very clear point there.
Then; if your employer makes 10,000 times what you make, find another fucking employer.
That, too, is based on me assuming that your numbers aren’t just pulled out of your ass btw. This entire "we can work only 16 hours and humanity will be fine requires a huge Wikipedia style <citation needed>
I’m not talking about abusive companies and bosses. I’m talking about people thinking they don’t have to work at all. Wr all have to work, period. Could we work less? Maybe, could be, sure, let’s look into that. Could we all flat out stop working? When were all dead we can, sure! Until then though, someone has to put bread on the table, LITERALLY. Without bakers there won’t be bread. Without supermarket employees, and farm hands and truck drivers doing their shitty jobs, guess what? Go into the forest and forage your own damn food (and starve in the process).
If you’re incapable of understanding that basic point then you should go touch some grass before responding. We live in a real world that has a lot of sucky problems that still need to be resolved and you have no fucking clue as to how good we have it compared to 100 years ago. Hell, I grew up 40 years ago and I know how much better many things are now compared to then, work wise too.
There’s not a single person who thinks no work is required for society to function, grow up yourself.
If you think antiwork is about never doing any kind of work ever again, you are misunderstanding the movement.
Besides the improvements in medicine and the calorie density of food, people 100 years ago had more free time and propotional money than we do today. They would have lived better lives than us if they didn’t die of preventable sickness.
Pretending like any of this has to do with Capitalism is deepthroating capitalist propaganda, human tech has always progressed, even before Capitalism, and it will still happen after Capitalism
Also your claim about people having more time a hundred years ago… I mean… I don’t even know how to answer claim do surrealistic claims from Narnia.
How about this? I’ll try it the nice way.<citation needed>. You provide some citations of where you get your funny ideas and I’ll honestly read them and follow the sources to see from what ass they were pulled. If, for whatever reason your source actually is from a real historical source, I’ll happily consider it and consider myself lucky to learn.
On my part I know that a hundred years ago (at least in western Europe) people worked a LOT more. Thanks due to religion they had the Sunday off to do nothing but worship, but the rest of the days were working 12 hour shifts with basically no work safety standards to speak of. Working was terrible a hundred years ago and it is a LOT better now
Unless you live in the US, probably, because in the US people are dumb and actually think all of what they’re doing is normal. You still have only 2 weeks of vacations per year? In Europe you got 5. In Europe you typically work about 36, maybe 40 hours a week on a full-time job which, again, was VERY different in the past
Oh look! Zero citations, just some more random claims!
Like I said: you make rather interesting claims, to out it mildly. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. If you want to be taken seriously you can’t behave like a 5 year old and just ignore everything.
Our systems can easily allow us to work less than half the week
<citation needed> Show me the studies. Show me that this isn’t just something that somebody told you on Facebook or Lemmy or wherever.
Don’t get me wrong, I too sometimes claim rather crazy things that upon deeper inspection just turned out to be some dumb idea i had. I should get called out in that just the same as I’m calling you out here on your crazy ideas.
Wow what a lazy argument with no point.
Have you ever actually thought about how much your existence incurs?
I have.
It would take less than 16hrs of labor per week to make sure everyone has access to all human needs and a reasonable amount of human wants.
The other 24hrs a week I waste at work are just to make sure my employer makes 10,000x what I do for not working.
If you cared about people being lazy you would support redistributing the excess wealth of the lazy rich
Er, based on what? Because infrastructure is difficult, complex, and fantastically expensive.
What level of medical care does this estimate involve? Modern hospitals require massive amounts of labor to keep operational, especially if you account for all the external inputs (e.g. consumables like IV bags and exam gloves and lab analysis equipment).
Bro they’re a troll. They literally did not make a single point in that entire post, it’s just rage bait. No one has made even a single one of the “claims” that theyre attempting to parrot.
Are you capable of reading? There was a very clear point there.
Then; if your employer makes 10,000 times what you make, find another fucking employer.
That, too, is based on me assuming that your numbers aren’t just pulled out of your ass btw. This entire "we can work only 16 hours and humanity will be fine requires a huge Wikipedia style <citation needed>
I’m not talking about abusive companies and bosses. I’m talking about people thinking they don’t have to work at all. Wr all have to work, period. Could we work less? Maybe, could be, sure, let’s look into that. Could we all flat out stop working? When were all dead we can, sure! Until then though, someone has to put bread on the table, LITERALLY. Without bakers there won’t be bread. Without supermarket employees, and farm hands and truck drivers doing their shitty jobs, guess what? Go into the forest and forage your own damn food (and starve in the process).
If you’re incapable of understanding that basic point then you should go touch some grass before responding. We live in a real world that has a lot of sucky problems that still need to be resolved and you have no fucking clue as to how good we have it compared to 100 years ago. Hell, I grew up 40 years ago and I know how much better many things are now compared to then, work wise too.
Grow up, all of you
There’s not a single person who thinks no work is required for society to function, grow up yourself.
If you think antiwork is about never doing any kind of work ever again, you are misunderstanding the movement.
Besides the improvements in medicine and the calorie density of food, people 100 years ago had more free time and propotional money than we do today. They would have lived better lives than us if they didn’t die of preventable sickness.
Pretending like any of this has to do with Capitalism is deepthroating capitalist propaganda, human tech has always progressed, even before Capitalism, and it will still happen after Capitalism
Have you been on this sub before?
Also your claim about people having more time a hundred years ago… I mean… I don’t even know how to answer claim do surrealistic claims from Narnia.
How about this? I’ll try it the nice way.<citation needed>. You provide some citations of where you get your funny ideas and I’ll honestly read them and follow the sources to see from what ass they were pulled. If, for whatever reason your source actually is from a real historical source, I’ll happily consider it and consider myself lucky to learn.
On my part I know that a hundred years ago (at least in western Europe) people worked a LOT more. Thanks due to religion they had the Sunday off to do nothing but worship, but the rest of the days were working 12 hour shifts with basically no work safety standards to speak of. Working was terrible a hundred years ago and it is a LOT better now
Unless you live in the US, probably, because in the US people are dumb and actually think all of what they’re doing is normal. You still have only 2 weeks of vacations per year? In Europe you got 5. In Europe you typically work about 36, maybe 40 hours a week on a full-time job which, again, was VERY different in the past
I hope one day you can grow past this slave mentality.
Our systems can easily allow us to work less than half the week, we are failing to transition to a better and easily obtainable world.
Oh look! Zero citations, just some more random claims!
Like I said: you make rather interesting claims, to out it mildly. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. If you want to be taken seriously you can’t behave like a 5 year old and just ignore everything.
<citation needed> Show me the studies. Show me that this isn’t just something that somebody told you on Facebook or Lemmy or wherever.
Don’t get me wrong, I too sometimes claim rather crazy things that upon deeper inspection just turned out to be some dumb idea i had. I should get called out in that just the same as I’m calling you out here on your crazy ideas.
“Then; if your employer makes 10,000 times what you make, find another fucking employer.”
and you say others should grow up, lmao