As a queer person (agender) with a conservative dad, I don’t get why he says he wants to go back to the 1950s. What was so special back then besides his reasoning that times were simpler? I feel like it would be harder for me then as a queer person.

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    no, you don’t seem to know what i meant.

    your comfort and booming economy is a direct result of your imperialism and owning the world’s currency. “the economy of the 50s” was fueled by blood.

    don’t be an apologist for it. don’t be like a republican.

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        yup. and the us was specially positioned to take advantage of it the most after ww2.

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      Oh I know what you meant, exactly. It’s grade school history. It’s also the same take repeated endlessly on internet forums where pedantry and needing to spell out every single facet rule supreme. So I guess I’ll spell it out. “The economy refers to the fact someone was able to pay for a home, family, and yearly vacation on an entry level, high school diploma as the only requirement job. The civil rights and liberties people are stating as the one thing they didn’t want to bring to modern times.”

      I’m going to assume you know why someone would want that without the abuse of minorities, immigrants, or third world countries.

      Or you can just pull the same thing everyone else does and state, “A society like that couldn’t exist without that exploitation.” like the true unique free thinker you are. To which I say prove it. We’ve always had a rich parasite class that needed exploitation, those who are fine without being far wealthier than others are perfectly capable of doing fine without the exploitation, its the leeches that require it.

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        It’s grade school history.

        that you appear not to know. which is easy for you because you were not on the receiving end of the violence.

        I’m going to assume you know why someone would want that without the abuse of minorities

        you are arguing with a strawman. thats not what us capitalism did in the 50s.

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        Ah it’s always the same with those ideologically blinded people.

        Capitalism is inherently bad blah blah

        Socialism can never work blah blah

        It’s all bullshit. Capitalism does not matter, socialism does not matter. How we call it does not matter. What matters is that a society is healthy, sustainable and prospering.

        The main problem of all theories is the confrontation with reality - each set of values or ideology is as much worth as the people who (supposedly) follow it.

        In any system we ever built, there are greedy, corrupt, powerful people, who like shit, always somehow end up swimming at the top. And then everything begins to rot.

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          The main problem of all theories is the confrontation with reality

          heres the actual material reality: western capitalists control the world, they are fucking us over. it was only ever “prosperous” to a select few countries.

          socialism is historically one of the only ways to defeat it, i get the people who like it.

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          Could not agree more. I’m a democratic socialist. I firmly believe that the ideas of that ideology, properly implemented, can drastically improve the standard of living for a huge percentage of the population.

          I live in a country where our democratic socialist party is fantastically corrupt, lazy and completely bereft of any motivation to do anything that doesn’t directly benefit themselves. Consequently, I don’t support them. Results over ideology is an important mantra no matter what you believe.