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    Germany is as safe as before.

    Germany is being targeted by Trump just like anyone else around is.

    Germany kept the money. The US got products for some numbers on a computer. That allowed them to spend the money again on arms.

    What? Germany kept the money, therefore the US could spend it on arms??

    You should know or look it up yourself.

    Classic. Make a bold statement, outsource the actual fact-gathering to the other side. No thanks.

    Too bad. If you only feel entitled for Europeans you will draw the wrong conclusions.

    I am only entitled for Europeans, just like any other European. Syria, Democrats, they all have to take care of their own problems, I can only influence what happens here.

    Take your time.

    Just did, still no.

    If you want to understand the European situation by dwellung on the injustice of US pressure alone

    Wrong assumption. I care about how Europe should react to pressure by the US. Just as I care about how Europe should react to other pressures on us such as by China.

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      What? Germany kept the money, therefore the US could spend it on arms??

      If Germany stores it, it’s the same as if they would burn it, which would remove the obligation from the US to create something for it.

      outsource the actual fact-gathering

      That you should already know

      all have to take care of their own problems,

      divide and conquer

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        If Germany stores it, it’s the same as if they would burn it

        It’s money the US has already spent (given to Germany). How does that allow the US to then spend it for their military??

        divide and conquer

        If you think you as a European (?) are responsible (or entitled) to solve the problems of the US Democrats or Syria, go ahead. I don’t. No catchphrase will change that.

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          How does that allow the US to then spend it for their military??

          The state can issue more bonds without creating inflation.

          solve the problems

          Have you considered working together?

          But more importantly, looking at others, you may see all the tricks that are used to achieve political goals. There won’t be exceptions for the EU. That can be frustrating, but it could help you to achieve what you want.

          Remember the attempt at messenger surveillance. The EU is not preparing to become more democratic.

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            The state can issue more bonds without creating inflation.

            What kind of 5d chess move is that? First, you spend your money abroad and then you can issue bonds which won’t affect inflation, because you’ve got a money leak?

            There won’t be exceptions for the EU.

            I don’t expect any. That’s why I want Europe to concentrate on its own actions instead of constantly diluting the view with a constant noise of other topics. Europe needs a plan how to respond to these threats and pressures from countries such as the US and China and for that it needs to focus, which is something a lot of people struggle heavily with.

            Remember the attempt at messenger surveillance. The EU is not preparing to become more democratic.

            Focus! This is not relevant here when it comes to how Europe should act towards bullies such as China or the US.

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              What kind of 5d chess move is that?

              Exactly

              diluting the view with a constant noise

              It’s a global game. It’s not noise but sidequests with serious consequences. If the US take over Congo to control essential minerals that the EU needs then that’s not noise.

              This is not relevant here when it comes to how Europe should act towards bullies

              It is. If the US control the governing parties and they can monitor any change in the mood of the population, do you think there will ever be a successful movement for European independence?

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                Exactly

                Did you come up with this idea?

                It’s not noise but sidequests with serious consequences.

                A side quest is exactly that: a quest besides the main one. If you just keep doing these and stall with the main one, you won’t have much success. When Europe has progressed in their main quest, they can waste all the time they want in these side ones.

                It is.

                …you say, only to then draw up another wild if-assumption from the endless box of conspiracy theories. Should you really think the US control the governing parties, we’ll have difficulties finding a common basis.

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                  Did you come up with this idea?

                  No, as I said, that’s how it was justified.

                  A side quest is exactly that: a quest besides the main one.

                  Which becomes the main one if it is an essential part for something important.

                  Without secured resources there won’t be an independent EU.

                  Should you really think the US control the governing parties

                  Directly, no. But they will consult the parties about which candidate they will support.

                  You must know the argument that the Democrats would have won with Bernie Sanders.

                  Things like that are enough to maintain friendly relations.

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                    No, as I said, that’s how it was justified.

                    Yea no, not so fast. Where did you get that argument from?

                    Without secured resources there won’t be an independent EU.

                    Who said otherwise? If you want Europe to compete with countries such as the US when it comes to projecting power globally, hawkish approach but be my guest!

                    But they will consult the parties about which candidate they will support.

                    And they then comply with that? Are you actually serious?