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    With politicians who are in favor of the US, you remember?

    Up until now, many maybe were. But that changes since Trump is in office again and even long-standing partners of the US are no longer safe.

    We have the surplus and the US use it to have their big army.

    How does that make sense? We have a trade surplus with them, aka more money goes our way, more products go their way. And they use that (us getting their money) to have a big army (which costs money)??

    A direct election would have prevented the third reich.

    I’d like to see anything substantial to back this claim up in the absoluteness you put it out here.

    See how that plan works out for the Democrats in the US. You can also have another look at Syria.

    I neither care about the Democrats nor Syria and don’t see how they matter here. This is about Europe and if you don’t want to do that, we’re done here.

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      long-standing partners of the US are no longer safe.

      Germany is as safe as before. It’s just mask off for the rest of Europe.

      How does that make sense?

      Like China, Germany kept the money. The US got products for some numbers on a computer. That allowed them to spend the money again on arms.

      I’d like to see anything substantial

      Like election results? You should know or look it up yourself.

      I neither care about the Democrats nor Syria

      Too bad. If you only feel entitled for Europeans you will draw the wrong conclusions.

      don’t see how they matter here.

      Take your time. It could help to wonder if the US will treat Europeans fundamentally different.

      This is about Europe and if you don’t want to do that, we’re done here.

      It is. If you want to understand the European situation by dwellung on the injustice of US pressure alone, you will feel victimized but you will never understand how it can continue.

      I hope you keep going. Otherwise thanks for the conversation.

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        Germany is as safe as before.

        Germany is being targeted by Trump just like anyone else around is.

        Germany kept the money. The US got products for some numbers on a computer. That allowed them to spend the money again on arms.

        What? Germany kept the money, therefore the US could spend it on arms??

        You should know or look it up yourself.

        Classic. Make a bold statement, outsource the actual fact-gathering to the other side. No thanks.

        Too bad. If you only feel entitled for Europeans you will draw the wrong conclusions.

        I am only entitled for Europeans, just like any other European. Syria, Democrats, they all have to take care of their own problems, I can only influence what happens here.

        Take your time.

        Just did, still no.

        If you want to understand the European situation by dwellung on the injustice of US pressure alone

        Wrong assumption. I care about how Europe should react to pressure by the US. Just as I care about how Europe should react to other pressures on us such as by China.

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          What? Germany kept the money, therefore the US could spend it on arms??

          If Germany stores it, it’s the same as if they would burn it, which would remove the obligation from the US to create something for it.

          outsource the actual fact-gathering

          That you should already know

          all have to take care of their own problems,

          divide and conquer

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            If Germany stores it, it’s the same as if they would burn it

            It’s money the US has already spent (given to Germany). How does that allow the US to then spend it for their military??

            divide and conquer

            If you think you as a European (?) are responsible (or entitled) to solve the problems of the US Democrats or Syria, go ahead. I don’t. No catchphrase will change that.

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              How does that allow the US to then spend it for their military??

              The state can issue more bonds without creating inflation.

              solve the problems

              Have you considered working together?

              But more importantly, looking at others, you may see all the tricks that are used to achieve political goals. There won’t be exceptions for the EU. That can be frustrating, but it could help you to achieve what you want.

              Remember the attempt at messenger surveillance. The EU is not preparing to become more democratic.

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                The state can issue more bonds without creating inflation.

                What kind of 5d chess move is that? First, you spend your money abroad and then you can issue bonds which won’t affect inflation, because you’ve got a money leak?

                There won’t be exceptions for the EU.

                I don’t expect any. That’s why I want Europe to concentrate on its own actions instead of constantly diluting the view with a constant noise of other topics. Europe needs a plan how to respond to these threats and pressures from countries such as the US and China and for that it needs to focus, which is something a lot of people struggle heavily with.

                Remember the attempt at messenger surveillance. The EU is not preparing to become more democratic.

                Focus! This is not relevant here when it comes to how Europe should act towards bullies such as China or the US.

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                  What kind of 5d chess move is that?

                  Exactly

                  diluting the view with a constant noise

                  It’s a global game. It’s not noise but sidequests with serious consequences. If the US take over Congo to control essential minerals that the EU needs then that’s not noise.

                  This is not relevant here when it comes to how Europe should act towards bullies

                  It is. If the US control the governing parties and they can monitor any change in the mood of the population, do you think there will ever be a successful movement for European independence?

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                    Exactly

                    Did you come up with this idea?

                    It’s not noise but sidequests with serious consequences.

                    A side quest is exactly that: a quest besides the main one. If you just keep doing these and stall with the main one, you won’t have much success. When Europe has progressed in their main quest, they can waste all the time they want in these side ones.

                    It is.

                    …you say, only to then draw up another wild if-assumption from the endless box of conspiracy theories. Should you really think the US control the governing parties, we’ll have difficulties finding a common basis.